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    A simple question: What will it take to put the team in a position to be effective long-term? My list follows below. This isn't a projection list or anything like that. This isn't looking ahead to the draft. This is simply a "what do I see this team has for the future" list after being impressed by the rookie OLBs in Sunday's game.

    Must-Needs:
    * A cornerback because both Woodson and Harris are over 33 and Tramon Williams can only replace one of them.
    * An effective starting WR to take over once DD retires which could be Jordy Nelson or James Jones if either takes a step in the coming offseason or the next season.
    * Two starting offensive tackles.

    It-Would-Be-Nice-To-Haves:
    * A safety to replace Bigby who--while consistent--doesn't appear to be special. He's solid, but good CBs and Nick Collins can hide his or any other safety's similar limitations.
    * A RB who at least forces the opposing defenses to account for him on every play, either as a nasty blitz-picker-upper, a receiving threat, or a shifty homerun running threat. Ryan Grant is serviceable and picks up a lot of yards over the year as an under-average used runner, but I don't think he makes defenses account for him on every play.
    * A kick returner who both is a threat to take it to the house every once in a while, like Blackman, and who isn't going to end up on IR every year, unfortunately unlike Blackman.

    Icing-On-the-Cake:
    * A third CB like Williams has been the last couple seasons and Harris was early in his career. Someone who doesn't embarrass himself on the field in coverage (see Bush, Jarrett.)
    * A stud punter.
    * Another linebacker, just because.

    Notes:
    * The QB, WR depth, interior O-line, TE, LBs, D-line, and FS seem to be set and set with youth. Unlike many here, I like the kicker we currently have. I think he's in a little dry spell, but I also think he'll come out of it stronger.
    No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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    Re: The Future of the Green Bay Packers

    Originally posted by Smidgeon
    A simple question: What will it take to put the team in a position to be effective long-term? My list follows below. This isn't a projection list or anything like that. This isn't looking ahead to the draft. This is simply a "what do I see this team has for the future" list after being impressed by the rookie OLBs in Sunday's game.

    Must-Needs:
    * A cornerback because both Woodson and Harris are over 33 and Tramon Williams can only replace one of them.
    * An effective starting WR to take over once DD retires which could be Jordy Nelson or James Jones if either takes a step in the coming offseason or the next season.
    * Two starting offensive tackles.

    It-Would-Be-Nice-To-Haves:
    * A safety to replace Bigby who--while consistent--doesn't appear to be special. He's solid, but good CBs and Nick Collins can hide his or any other safety's similar limitations.
    * A RB who at least forces the opposing defenses to account for him on every play, either as a nasty blitz-picker-upper, a receiving threat, or a shifty homerun running threat. Ryan Grant is serviceable and picks up a lot of yards over the year as an under-average used runner, but I don't think he makes defenses account for him on every play.
    * A kick returner who both is a threat to take it to the house every once in a while, like Blackman, and who isn't going to end up on IR every year, unfortunately unlike Blackman.

    Icing-On-the-Cake:
    * A third CB like Williams has been the last couple seasons and Harris was early in his career. Someone who doesn't embarrass himself on the field in coverage (see Bush, Jarrett.)
    * A stud punter.
    * Another linebacker, just because.

    Notes:
    * The QB, WR depth, interior O-line, TE, LBs, D-line, and FS seem to be set and set with youth. Unlike many here, I like the kicker we currently have. I think he's in a little dry spell, but I also think he'll come out of it stronger.

    Slightly disagree:
    .MUST - NEEDS (1st round/Free Agency)
    1. A cornerback - most definitely.
    2. One quality left tackle - Lang will ably man the right side

    Would -Be-Nice-To-Have
    1. Quality secondary depth
    2. A real kick returne
    3. Another big Defensive Lineman to beef up the rotation
    Who Knows? The Shadow knows!

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    • #3
      Re: The Future of the Green Bay Packers

      Originally posted by The Shadow
      Slightly disagree:
      .MUST - NEEDS (1st round/Free Agency)
      2. One quality left tackle - Lang will ably man the right side
      I like Lang, but now that I think about it, I was projecting him subconsciously to LG because I'm still not sold on Colledge. If he does end up at RT (which I think I'd prefer), then the team would need one more interior O-line player.
      No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.

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      • #4
        Unless Crosby comes out of this funk we may need to look for another kicker. CB may not be as glaring a need if Lee comes around next season. LT is a big need too. Unfortunately they don't grow on trees and are impossible to find in FA so we might have to move up in the draft to nab one this coming April.

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        • #5
          we for sure need one tackle, maybe two depending on lang. i'd like to see him get some more time to see a little more of him

          and we badly need a cb, right now i'm not sold on any of the guys on our roster being able to step up next year to the nickle spot if harris or woodson go down. no confidence behind t-will

          we also need a second RB, the NfL has turned into a 2 running back league. green is old, and jackson is a nobody

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          • #6
            Originally posted by red
            we for sure need one tackle, maybe two depending on lang. i'd like to see him get some more time to see a little more of him

            and we badly need a cb, right now i'm not sold on any of the guys on our roster being able to step up next year to the nickle spot if harris or woodson go down. no confidence behind t-will

            we also need a second RB, the NfL has turned into a 2 running back league. green is old, and jackson is a nobody
            Both OT and CB are top needs...if Harris comes back strong that's great but we can't count on that.

            RB is a strong need and a kick returner as well. Jordy has his rare moments but we need a game breaker back there....if he's a RB that's all the better.

            How about a punter?
            C.H.U.D.

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            • #7
              I agree with OT (1-2), CB, P, RB. WR is not as urgent. Hell, DD wants to play another 6 years, and JJ, Jordy, and JFin are nice weapons.

              Other needed upgrades: ST coach, OL coach, Personal Sports Psychologist for poor, confused Mason.

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              • #8
                Re: The Future of the Green Bay Packers

                Originally posted by Smidgeon
                A simple question: What will it take to put the team in a position to be effective long-term? My list follows below. This isn't a projection list or anything like that. This isn't looking ahead to the draft. This is simply a "what do I see this team has for the future" list after being impressed by the rookie OLBs in Sunday's game.

                Must-Needs:
                * A cornerback because both Woodson and Harris are over 33 and Tramon Williams can only replace one of them.
                * An effective starting WR to take over once DD retires which could be Jordy Nelson or James Jones if either takes a step in the coming offseason or the next season.
                * Two starting offensive tackles.

                It-Would-Be-Nice-To-Haves:
                * A safety to replace Bigby who--while consistent--doesn't appear to be special. He's solid, but good CBs and Nick Collins can hide his or any other safety's similar limitations.
                * A RB who at least forces the opposing defenses to account for him on every play, either as a nasty blitz-picker-upper, a receiving threat, or a shifty homerun running threat. Ryan Grant is serviceable and picks up a lot of yards over the year as an under-average used runner, but I don't think he makes defenses account for him on every play.
                * A kick returner who both is a threat to take it to the house every once in a while, like Blackman, and who isn't going to end up on IR every year, unfortunately unlike Blackman.

                Icing-On-the-Cake:
                * A third CB like Williams has been the last couple seasons and Harris was early in his career. Someone who doesn't embarrass himself on the field in coverage (see Bush, Jarrett.)
                * A stud punter.
                * Another linebacker, just because.

                Notes:
                * The QB, WR depth, interior O-line, TE, LBs, D-line, and FS seem to be set and set with youth. Unlike many here, I like the kicker we currently have. I think he's in a little dry spell, but I also think he'll come out of it stronger.
                I can't really argue with you, it's a well-thought out list. But here's a couple comments:

                1) RB - To get a sure-fire game-breaker, like Spiller, TT'd would have to trade up. I don't see him doing that. There is no Adrian Peterson in this year's draft. Most of the upper level backs are 2nd-3rd round guys. Plus, if we got Spiller, would McStubby feature him?

                2) Assuming we go deep into the playoffs, TT just might trade his top choice for a couple extra 2nd's or 3rd's. I could see him picking two or three of these type of guys: guys like Toby Gerhart, Jason Fox, Brandon Ghee, Jordan Shipley, Anthony Dixon, etc. I think there's talent in these rounds.

                3) Your comment about getting a "nasty blitz-picker-upper" made me think of McStubby's comment yesterday:

                I thought Brandon Jackson played as well as any running back I have seen in pass protection. I thought he played at a very high level.
                That's heavy praise. We may already have that "nasty blitz-picker-uper."
                One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
                John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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                • #9
                  McGinn's column said that Jackson was making as many protection calls as Wells. Says he was way into it. Good for him - especially considering how much of a deficiency it was for him in his first year or two. Gotta hand some credit to Bennett.
                  "Never, never ever support a punk like mraynrand. Rather be as I am and feel real sympathy for his sickness." - Woodbuck

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by mraynrand
                    McGinn's column said that Jackson was making as many protection calls as Wells. Says he was way into it. Good for him - especially considering how much of a deficiency it was for him in his first year or two. Gotta hand some credit to Bennett.
                    Been a fan of BJack and he's a very good 3rd down back and an outstanding pass blocker. For the pass heavy offense that we are, especially with our OL issues, he's a must keep for next season. To me, Green is the back that can go this offseason.
                    All hail the Ruler of the Meadow!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cheesehead Craig
                      Originally posted by mraynrand
                      McGinn's column said that Jackson was making as many protection calls as Wells. Says he was way into it. Good for him - especially considering how much of a deficiency it was for him in his first year or two. Gotta hand some credit to Bennett.
                      Been a fan of BJack and he's a very good 3rd down back and an outstanding pass blocker. For the pass heavy offense that we are, especially with our OL issues, he's a must keep for next season. To me, Green is the back that can go this offseason.
                      I agree. BJack might not fit the role of a true 3rd down back (Sproles) but he is very solid in pass protection. I just wish he got a few more opportunities.
                      Go PACK

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                      • #12
                        my favorite comment was: "Not only is Jackson always in the right place, he is downright nasty taking people on. Ask Timmons, who's on the soft side, anyway. Jackson's probably still blocking him."

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                        • #13
                          B. Jack did a nice job blocking Ray Lewis as well

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                          • #14
                            To me, our biggest need is in the secondary. The NFL is currently a very pass happy league. We need to be 8 deep with talent capable of getting on the field and not being a liability. Right now, we are only 5 deep (Harris, Woodson, Bigby, Collins, Williams) with a couple young question marks.

                            LT is also a big concern...Clifton can hold down the fort for at least one more year, but we need a capable replacement behind him...because he WILL get injured at some point.

                            Jackson is by far the best pass blocker we have at RB...he ain't going anywhere IMO. He is a very solid 3rd down back for our offense. I think we need to draft a RB that has speed and receiving skills. With our passing game, we don't need a "feature RB"...we need someone who can attack the edge both running and receiving. Someone like that forces LBs to cover the entire field, and really helps open up the middle of the field in the passing game. Currently, opposing LBs have no fear of anyone in our backfield getting to the edge.

                            The icing on the cake would be a young pass rushing LB who could like up opposite Matthews in passing situations. Tandem this kid with Jones, and you shore up the other OLB position...replacing Kampman.
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                            • #15
                              Competition at both placekicker and punter is a must. Not saying draft someone, but bring a couple bodies into camp.

                              CB - at this point, no way we can count on Harris's return, or at least that he'll be ready by camp. Lee and Blackmon are unknowns. Unless Underwood really steps up, we need another player there.

                              After that, something along the OL. The interior line is a bit of a left side of the interior line is a bit of a mystery. Does Spitz come back and replace Wells, or do they try and put him at LG? Where does Lang project? Is LT right out? Clifton's health has to be a concern, so we need to groom a backup there. What have we got in Tauscher? Is he getting to the level of play before his injury? Sitton is the only guy I see as having his position nailed down next year.

                              I think our top pick will be OL.
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