THROWING GAMES TO REST STARTERS--AGREE or DISAGREE

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Actually some of the coaches and some of the players are the same

Different HC. First year for DC. New coach for ST. New QB coach. New roles for other coaches. Different RBs. Different WRs. Different defensive players and schemes. More mature players that are still there, etc.

You might actually wanna take a look at the roster sometime, as the colts have TONS of young players. Only 3 players start on defense that were there for 5 years. Take out their OL, peyton and kickers..and they are a pretty darn young team.

Talking about this year's team to the team from 03 is stupid.

But, i guess today's version of you should be talked about in the same manner as when you were 18.

Actually you might want to take a look at the roster some time and than you can admit my above statement is true

Yes. Some. Not a large percentage..excluding coaches. But, the point was that was ONE factor in many Ty listed. Ty listed different coach...meaning HC. That is a fact. Different strategies..fact. How caldwell pulled Manning is completely different than how Dungy did it. New DC. Fact. Different players. More different than the same. Fact. Different circumstances..ie, no suicides. Fact.

Nice of you to focus on one thing out of several listed.

[Bretsky]

Actually some of the coaches and some of the players are the same

Different HC. First year for DC. New coach for ST. New QB coach. New roles for other coaches. Different RBs. Different WRs. Different defensive players and schemes. More mature players that are still there, etc.

You might actually wanna take a look at the roster sometime, as the colts have TONS of young players. Only 3 players start on defense that were there for 5 years. Take out their OL, peyton and kickers..and they are a pretty darn young team.

Talking about this year's team to the team from 03 is stupid.

But, i guess today's version of you should be talked about in the same manner as when you were 18.

Actually you might want to take a look at the roster some time and than you can admit my above statement is true

Yes. Some. Not a large percentage..excluding coaches. But, the point was that was ONE factor in many Ty listed. Ty listed different coach...meaning HC. That is a fact. Different strategies..fact. How caldwell pulled Manning is completely different than how Dungy did it. New DC. Fact. Different players. More different than the same. Fact. Different circumstances..ie, no suicides. Fact.

Nice of you to focus on one thing out of several listed.

Fact: Nothing I noted was inaccurate
Fact: I've only focused on what I noted
Fact: You are the one trying to interpret a simple point I made

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So, then you actually believe you link these two teams 09 and 03 and compare them?

[Bretsky]

So, then you actually believe you link these two teams 09 and 03 and compare them?

My posts made a simple point; I didnt' say what you stated above

Honestly we have no idea of the mentaility of the players of this year as compared to 03

We have no idea of the difference in quality of coaching or difference in coaching between 03 and 09.

I think it would arrogant of me to have a strong opinion either way without a lot more knowledge than is possible for an outsider like me to have.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So, then you actually believe you link these two teams 09 and 03 and compare them?

My posts made a simple point; I didnt' say what you stated above

Honestly we have no idea of the mentaility of the players of this year as compared to 03

We have no idea of the difference in quality of coaching or difference in coaching between 03 and 09.

I think it would arrogant of me to have a strong opinion either way without a lot more knowledge than is possible for an outsider like me to have.

So, your original post is just you being an ass. Got it.

[pbmax]

New Orleans 2009 Pythagorean luck: .209
Indianapolis 2009 Pythag. luck: .235

Neither of these teams is as good as their record would seen to indicate. And it was likely they would be defeated in the playoffs, if not sooner. I take this as an argument that if they can rest their players and keep them healthy, then they should do so because they will need all the help they can get to advance far into the playoffs.

What's GB's?

Here we go=

PF^2.37
---------------------- = Expected record
PF^2.37 + PA^2.37

PF=428, PA=290

Expected Win Percentage = .716

Actual Win Percentage = .667

"So you're saying there's a chance?"

What this statistic is basically saying is that GB is underperforming. Did you find the statistical records for underperforming teams in the postseason?

Not based on those numbers. Under performing your expected win total might indicate that something else is wrong with the team. Or that you have had some unusual luck. You might expect luck to even out over the course of the season (fumble recoveries seem to be random and could reverse themselves). But there could be underlying weaknesses that result in under performance.

Point totals don't differentiate for opponents, or factor how special teams have failed or how penalties cost you unless they result in points scored (or not scored). That is the strength of those numbers, its a very realistic macro view of a team. That lets all the factors on the team express themselves as they normally would. Bill James (for baseball) found that next year win predictions based on these numbers to be the most accurate he could find. But it is worth noting that he started with Pythagorean Win Pcts. and then modified them to account for changes on the team in the offseason.

Its weaknesses would be matchups and trends. Having bad special teams coverage is worse when you face a team that has a good return game. Point totals don't do much to pinpoint improving or declining teams either.

If I were the Colts and Saints, I'm not sure there is time to improve whatever weaknesses they have. But its a good time to stay healthy. The only downside I see is if you have a bye.

Then if you have not played meaningful minutes in two or three weeks, you might not be the same well oiled machine. And while you are knocking the rust off, you are facing one of the eight best teams in the league. It also may not be a good matchup for you either. If you rest the starters and play the first weekend, you get to knock less rust off and do it against an inferior opponent. But what I question is how much of the results are rust and how much are the quality of the opponent.

Health seems to be to be the primary concern. Currently injured players should get rest. Healthy players I can see an argument for playing at least until you get the lead or through the first half. But I would limit them as much as possible. McCarthy says he will game plan and play hard for Arizona. But I bet some of the older, injured players watch from the sidelines. Clifton, Pickett, Woodson.

[Bretsky]

So, then you actually believe you link these two teams 09 and 03 and compare them?

My posts made a simple point; I didnt' say what you stated above

Honestly we have no idea of the mentaility of the players of this year as compared to 03

We have no idea of the difference in quality of coaching or difference in coaching between 03 and 09.

I think it would arrogant of me to have a strong opinion either way without a lot more knowledge than is possible for an outsider like me to have.

So, your original post is just you being an ass. Got it.

yup, and it's about time

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So, then you actually believe you link these two teams 09 and 03 and compare them?

My posts made a simple point; I didnt' say what you stated above

Honestly we have no idea of the mentaility of the players of this year as compared to 03

We have no idea of the difference in quality of coaching or difference in coaching between 03 and 09.

I think it would arrogant of me to have a strong opinion either way without a lot more knowledge than is possible for an outsider like me to have.

So, your original post is just you being an ass. Got it.

yup, and it's about time

Enjoy it!

[MadtownPacker]

Talking about the colt's past while discussing this year's team is ridiculous.

Different coach, different players, different strategies, different scenario (no coach's son suicide), etc.

Wow, are you really this much of a fucking bitch? Is your opinion the FINAL word? Well in case it isnt (which it's not) my point was resting Manning etc has really done them no good. If you think that means shit thats fine but does it get you off to be such an ass on this forum? Does it please you that people get sick of your shit and leave here? Is that your mission? You sure seems to be excellent at making this place less fun for all.

So come back with a comment that make you feel intellectually superior. Really, what else you got anyways.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Talking about the colt's past while discussing this year's team is ridiculous.

Different coach, different players, different strategies, different scenario (no coach's son suicide), etc.

Wow, are you really this much of a fucking bitch? Is your opinion the FINAL word? Well in case it isnt (which it's not) my point was resting Manning etc has really done them no good. If you think that means shit thats fine but does it get you off to be such an ass on this forum? Does it please you that people get sick of your shit and leave here? Is that your mission? You sure seems to be excellent at making this place less fun for all.

So come back with a comment that make you feel intellectually superior. Really, what else you got anyways.

[sheepshead]

Wow, bitch slapped supreme and left him speechless. That's one for the archives.

[Scott Campbell]

I think getting healthy and rested is a big deal at this time of year.

[The Leaper]

I think playing the guys for 2 quarters is a smart move...as long as it is done just how the Colts did it without the players knowledge beforehand. It keeps the players mentally sharp because they are preparing as if they are playing 4 quarters, and keeps them physically healthy by sustaining fewer hits and allowing for more recovery.