Bigby Quietly Excels in New Role: Packer D Dominates...

[ThunderDan]

But, to blame that play on Bell, when you don't know what the coverage responsibilities are is foolish.

Look at page one of this thread. We were told by coaches that Bell had the wrong coverage. PBmax has the correct coverage shown. Did Bigby react to Bell's incorrect coverage and change his coverage, did he cover improperly himself, did he get tricked by Ben's eyes, or something else - I don't think we know the answer to this.

It's hard to believe that Bell was really supposed to be outside and behind on that play. That leaves the inside slant wide open and Bigby was nowhere near where he needed to be if that was the case.

If anything, in that case you would want your CB to use the sideline as an extra defender and pin a WR 1-on-1 against the boundary. That way you have more guys to cover the middle.

I don't blame Bell for giving his man 16" to catch the ball.

[mraynrand]

But, to blame that play on Bell, when you don't know what the coverage responsibilities are is foolish.

Look at page one of this thread. We were told by coaches that Bell had the wrong coverage. PBmax has the correct coverage shown. Did Bigby react to Bell's incorrect coverage and change his coverage, did he cover improperly himself, did he get tricked by Ben's eyes, or something else - I don't think we know the answer to this.

It's hard to believe that Bell was really supposed to be outside and behind on that play.

He wasn't. Go look again at what pbmax drew up. Bell had good coverage (only had wrong arm forward at the end), but the coaches said he ran the wrong coverage. I don't know what happened with Bigby.

[ThunderDan]

But, to blame that play on Bell, when you don't know what the coverage responsibilities are is foolish.

Look at page one of this thread. We were told by coaches that Bell had the wrong coverage. PBmax has the correct coverage shown. Did Bigby react to Bell's incorrect coverage and change his coverage, did he cover improperly himself, did he get tricked by Ben's eyes, or something else - I don't think we know the answer to this.

It's hard to believe that Bell was really supposed to be outside and behind on that play.

He wasn't. Go look again at what pbmax drew up. Bell had good coverage (only had wrong arm forward at the end), but the coaches said he ran the wrong coverage. I don't know what happened with Bigby.

That's exactly what pbmax drew up. Outside of him (between the Pitt WR and the sideline) and behind him (between the WR and the QB). Bigby was supposed to be inside (wasn't there at all) and keep the WR in front of him.

[3irty1]

I've pimped Bigby for awhile, I think he is somewhere between choice B or C. I don't ever see him making a pro bowl, but I think he is an above average NFL starter at safety. He isn't collins or polamalu or reed, but I would take him over 65% of the other safeties in the league.

When Grant held out I stated then that I would rather pay Bigby. I still maintain that. Cause and effect are hard sometimes in the NFL, but when Bigby is in the lineup the D plays better. We have run several safeties through town, but he is still a starter on a top notch defense. Coincidence...doubt it.

This is about how I feel. He's not an all world athlete but his ability to recognize plays is elite imo. He's a guy you'll try hard to replace but nobody will be able to take his job.

[mraynrand]

It's hard to believe that Bell was really supposed to be outside and behind on that play.

That's exactly what pbmax drew up. Outside of him (between the Pitt WR and the sideline) and behind him (between the WR and the QB).

I didn't think 'behind him' meant between the WR and the QB. But whatever, It looks like you get where Bell was supposed to be. Now that just leaves Bigby and I think we'll never know.

[SnakeLH2006]

I've pimped Bigby for awhile, I think he is somewhere between choice B or C. I don't ever see him making a pro bowl, but I think he is an above average NFL starter at safety. He isn't collins or polamalu or reed, but I would take him over 65% of the other safeties in the league.

When Grant held out I stated then that I would rather pay Bigby. I still maintain that. Cause and effect are hard sometimes in the NFL, but when Bigby is in the lineup the D plays better. We have run several safeties through town, but he is still a starter on a top notch defense. Coincidence...doubt it.

This is about how I feel. He's not an all world athlete but his ability to recognize plays is elite imo. He's a guy you'll try hard to replace but nobody will be able to take his job.

QFT....He's not the best...but look at when he's playing.....The Rouse shit caused major problems last year, not to mention the turds playing SS before him with gaffes the past 5 years before Bigby. He's pretty fucking solid and our Pass D and Overall D as far as Points/Game and Yards/Game is phenomenal in 2007 and 2009 when he plays.

Is that to say Bigby is the end-all stud? No. Of course not, but we have been proven to play some crazy D. Throw Jolly in there. Stats be damned. Some guys just do it. I'm happy with Bigby and will be pissed if we draft a safety over an OT or RB in the 2010 draft. There's no reason to replace Bigby......he ain't Marquand or some other douche....he doesn't get beat repeatedly....and plays unnoticed ala Pickett. Bigby at the worst is 5 times the player the revered AJ Hawk is...at least Bigby makes plays (and doesn't get torched like AJ has in the past). Nuff said.

[Gunakor]

I've pimped Bigby for awhile, I think he is somewhere between choice B or C. I don't ever see him making a pro bowl, but I think he is an above average NFL starter at safety. He isn't collins or polamalu or reed, but I would take him over 65% of the other safeties in the league.

When Grant held out I stated then that I would rather pay Bigby. I still maintain that. Cause and effect are hard sometimes in the NFL, but when Bigby is in the lineup the D plays better. We have run several safeties through town, but he is still a starter on a top notch defense. Coincidence...doubt it.

This is about how I feel. He's not an all world athlete but his ability to recognize plays is elite imo. He's a guy you'll try hard to replace but nobody will be able to take his job.

QFT....He's not the best...but look at when he's playing.....The Rouse shit caused major problems last year, not to mention the turds playing SS before him with gaffes the past 5 years before Bigby. He's pretty fucking solid and our Pass D and Overall D as far as Points/Game and Yards/Game is phenomenal in 2007 and 2009 when he plays.

Is that to say Bigby is the end-all stud? No. Of course not, but we have been proven to play some crazy D. Throw Jolly in there. Stats be damned. Some guys just do it. I'm happy with Bigby and will be pissed if we draft a safety over an OT or RB in the 2010 draft. There's no reason to replace Bigby......he ain't Marquand or some other douche....he doesn't get beat repeatedly....and plays unnoticed ala Pickett. Bigby at the worst is 5 times the player the revered AJ Hawk is...at least Bigby makes plays (and doesn't get torched like AJ has in the past). Nuff said.

That's where I'm at too. Bigby isn't a playmaker but he plays his role very well and the defense overall benefits greatly from it. You could make a change and find someone who can play that role just as well as Bigby can, but what's the point? Just to change names? Whether it's Bigby playing that role or someone else, it doesn't matter as long as they play it at a high level. That being the case, as long as Bigby is playing the role he's asked to play at a high level, why make the change? As long as the role the SS is asked to play in our defense doesn't change, I hope the player asked to play SS in our defense doesn't change either.

[SnakeLH2006]

I've pimped Bigby for awhile, I think he is somewhere between choice B or C. I don't ever see him making a pro bowl, but I think he is an above average NFL starter at safety. He isn't collins or polamalu or reed, but I would take him over 65% of the other safeties in the league.

When Grant held out I stated then that I would rather pay Bigby. I still maintain that. Cause and effect are hard sometimes in the NFL, but when Bigby is in the lineup the D plays better. We have run several safeties through town, but he is still a starter on a top notch defense. Coincidence...doubt it.

This is about how I feel. He's not an all world athlete but his ability to recognize plays is elite imo. He's a guy you'll try hard to replace but nobody will be able to take his job.

QFT....He's not the best...but look at when he's playing.....The Rouse shit caused major problems last year, not to mention the turds playing SS before him with gaffes the past 5 years before Bigby. He's pretty fucking solid and our Pass D and Overall D as far as Points/Game and Yards/Game is phenomenal in 2007 and 2009 when he plays.

Is that to say Bigby is the end-all stud? No. Of course not, but we have been proven to play some crazy D. Throw Jolly in there. Stats be damned. Some guys just do it. I'm happy with Bigby and will be pissed if we draft a safety over an OT or RB in the 2010 draft. There's no reason to replace Bigby......he ain't Marquand or some other douche....he doesn't get beat repeatedly....and plays unnoticed ala Pickett. Bigby at the worst is 5 times the player the revered AJ Hawk is...at least Bigby makes plays (and doesn't get torched like AJ has in the past). Nuff said.

That's where I'm at too. Bigby isn't a playmaker but he plays his role very well and the defense overall benefits greatly from it. You could make a change and find someone who can play that role just as well as Bigby can, but what's the point? Just to change names? Whether it's Bigby playing that role or someone else, it doesn't matter as long as they play it at a high level. That being the case, as long as Bigby is playing the role he's asked to play at a high level, why make the change? As long as the role the SS is asked to play in our defense doesn't change, I hope the player asked to play SS in our defense doesn't change either.

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[mraynrand]

Which Bigby thread is better? Vote in the new "Which Bigby thread is better" thread

[Bretsky]

I vote he's not worthy of two threads