Atari Bigby

[RashanGary]

Is playing fantastic. Interceptions, big hits, run stuffing, not giving up big plays. . . What more can you ask for from a SS?


Very underrated player. I remember Vince saying he'd love to lock Bigby up, then after he was injured, retailguy just tore him apart with sarcasm and insults. The way Bigby is playing, I'd say Vince deserves some credit for taking the brunt and really not being wrong at all.

I also believe skinbasket owes Bigby an apology

[SkinBasket]

All I owe him is the common courtesy of knocking his nutsack out your mouth before the constant suction prevents him from ever having children.

How can a guy be so underrated when we've always got at least two threads on the front page (where this month's Atari Bigby is retarded/awesome discussion has already been played out) and a monthly JSO fluff piece dedicated to him?

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=19725

[pbmax]

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...I also believe skinbasket owes Bigby an apology

And after I see that message, Fritz will give up the Drew Barrymore dream and Ty will admit defeat in an argument.

[retailguy]

Re: Atari Bigby

Is playing fantastic. Interceptions, big hits, run stuffing, not giving up big plays. . . What more can you ask for from a SS?


Very underrated player. I remember Vince saying he'd love to lock Bigby up, then after he was injured, retailguy just tore him apart with sarcasm and insults. The way Bigby is playing, I'd say Vince deserves some credit for taking the brunt and really not being wrong at all.

I also believe skinbasket owes Bigby an apology

Stirring shit up again? If you recall, I disagreed with Vince's point to "lock up Bigby" based on 4 games performance. He was "exclusive rights" at the time and had no choice but to play for whatever GB offered him. It was not the time for an extension then, regardless of how he played. It was a moment of "fan exhuberance" for Vince (that's part of being a fan), and I did chide him heavily on it. He didn't appreciate it, and that's ok. Later, when I realized how offended he was, I did apologize for hurting his feelings. I also think that the remainder of that season exposed flaws in Bigby's game, flaws which remain today.

Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage. He can hit like a mack truck, but that's clearly his best trait. He is mediocre at best regarding coverage, and a few interceptions clustered together don't change my mind about his abilities. Should we resign him? Sure. Should we break the bank? No. When someone better comes along, we should draft them and replace him.

Stop stirring the pot. You aren't very good at it. Just enjoy the JSO fluff pieces....

[get louder at lambeau]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

[retailguy]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

Then I guess you, vince and Justin can "lock him up". I still won't be signing off on that deal because he isn't worth that kind of contract.

[SkinBasket]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

I hear people say he can hit a lot, but is that true? I think you can still count his regular season "big hits" on one hand over his career here, and really they weren't any bigger than any other safety teeing off over the middle.

The guy has big hair and a funny name. Take that away and you really don't have much that distinguishes him from any other slow, injury prone, non instinctive safety with stiff hips that any team would be trying to replace at the earliest opportunity.

[mraynrand]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

I don't doubt for a second that Bigby could cover you. It's NFL TEs, RBs and WRs that make him look silly. Might as well bring in Tank - I hear that he once dominated Darren Charles in high school.

[get louder at lambeau]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

I hear people say he can hit a lot, but is that true? I think you can still count his regular season "big hits" on one hand over his career here, and really they weren't any bigger than any other safety teeing off over the middle.

The guy has big hair and a funny name. Take that away and you really don't have much that distinguishes him from any other slow, injury prone, non instinctive safety with stiff hips that any team would be trying to replace at the earliest opportunity.

Well, Bigby tied for 5th among all NFL safeties in INTs this year, and has been awarded a game ball in the last three consecutive weeks, so that might set him apart from SOME other slow, injury prone, non instinctive safeties with stiff hips that any team would be trying to replace at the earliest opportunity.

Also, (no I don't have a link, so feel free to verify) the Packers are something like 26-9 with Bigby in the game, and 4-8 without him.

[Patler]

Each year, JSO surveys one scout from each NFC North team at the end of the year to rank the players on the other teams to establish an All Star team. Bigby was the unanimous choice for #1 at SS, the first unanimous selection at SS since Butler.

[retailguy]

Each year, JSO surveys one scout from each NFC North team at the end of the year to rank the players on the other teams to establish an All Star team. Bigby was the unanimous choice for #1 at SS, the first unanimous selection at SS since Butler.

Sorry. I know Leroy Butler. Atari Bigby is no Leroy Butler.

That's kind of my point and my comparison. Happy that the scouts like him. Still don't believe he's all world. Maybe if he does it consistently for a while, but it's been up and down with him.

Again - he's better than anything else we've got. Maybe he's better than anybody else in the NFC North, but plenty in the league better than him. Just a guy right now, maybe on the cusp of being a lot better, but he's getting a little old for that, though he has been out injured, so maybe. Not yet, but maybe.

[swede]

Each year, JSO surveys one scout from each NFC North team at the end of the year to rank the players on the other teams to establish an All Star team. Bigby was the unanimous choice for #1 at SS, the first unanimous selection at SS since Butler.

Sorry. I know Leroy Butler. Atari Bigby is no Leroy Butler.

That's kind of my point and my comparison. Happy that the scouts like him. Still don't believe he's all world. Maybe if he does it consistently for a while, but it's been up and down with him.

Again - he's better than anything else we've got. Maybe he's better than anybody else in the NFC North, but plenty in the league better than him. Just a guy right now, maybe on the cusp of being a lot better, but he's getting a little old for that, though he has been out injured, so maybe. Not yet, but maybe.

The brilliance of your post here, RG, is that you can now take credit for having foreseen the disaster, the ordinariness, or the eventual supremacy of Atari Bigby.

In my home state of Minnesota we tended to talk the same way.

"I don't suppose it'll do any good but I might as well take the Ford up to Mankato and see if they can fix her up. I heard there's a mechanic up there that got Wally Severson another 8 miles to the gallon better out of that F-1 of his so maybe the guy can smooth out the idle and do the same for me but with my luck I'll probably have to junk the old rust bucket. At any rate if we can get the old Ford through harvest we'll be good."

[Patler]

Each year, JSO surveys one scout from each NFC North team at the end of the year to rank the players on the other teams to establish an All Star team. Bigby was the unanimous choice for #1 at SS, the first unanimous selection at SS since Butler.

Sorry. I know Leroy Butler. Atari Bigby is no Leroy Butler.

That's kind of my point and my comparison. Happy that the scouts like him. Still don't believe he's all world. Maybe if he does it consistently for a while, but it's been up and down with him.

Again - he's better than anything else we've got. Maybe he's better than anybody else in the NFC North, but plenty in the league better than him. Just a guy right now, maybe on the cusp of being a lot better, but he's getting a little old for that, though he has been out injured, so maybe. Not yet, but maybe.

Who said he was "all world"?
However, if he is the unanimous choice as the best of the NFC North, in my opinion he is more than "just a guy". If he was "just a guy" with the others of the North, I doubt his selection would be unanimous.

I think even a very good team can stand to have Bigby as their SS. Are there better ones than him? Of course there are. I don't think the Packers have the best in the League at any position, although an argument could be made for Woodson this year.

Bigby doesn't hurt this team, and per the coaches seems to be at the top of his game right now.

[SkinBasket]

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Bigby has had big issues related to coverage responsibilities. I once used the term that "Bigby couldn't cover with a blanket", and though that has improved, he is still not good in coverage.

I hear people say this a lot, but is it true? Compared to other STRONG safeties, not free safeties, is he bad in coverage? My impression is that he isn't, personally.

I hear people say he can hit a lot, but is that true? I think you can still count his regular season "big hits" on one hand over his career here, and really they weren't any bigger than any other safety teeing off over the middle.

The guy has big hair and a funny name. Take that away and you really don't have much that distinguishes him from any other slow, injury prone, non instinctive safety with stiff hips that any team would be trying to replace at the earliest opportunity.

Well, Bigby tied for 5th among all NFL safeties in INTs this year, and has been awarded a game ball in the last three consecutive weeks, so that might set him apart from SOME other slow, injury prone, non instinctive safeties with stiff hips that any team would be trying to replace at the earliest opportunity.

Also, (no I don't have a link, so feel free to verify) the Packers are something like 26-9 with Bigby in the game, and 4-8 without him.

I'm not terribly swayed by the INTs, as they've mostly come as a result of playing deep and fielding poor throws. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but he's not creating those opportunities so much as he's capitalizing on opportunities afforded him by the front generating pressure. It's nice and all, but really, all he's doing is not dropping passes thrown at or near him. If the team wants to pass out game balls like participation awards for retarded kids, I won't argue about it, but judging from some of the quotes from this past week's JSO article, the team sure seems to blow a lot of sunshine up his butt to keep his confidence up.

I have too much confidence in the quality of this team and the change in defensive scheme and coaching to pin our wins and losses on one player - much less the weakest defensive starter we have.

As others have pointed out, Bigby is the best we have at that position right now, and at times guys like Jarrett Bush make him look downright awesome in comparison - but that certainly doesn't make him anywhere as good as some people want him to be.

[hoosier]

Each year, JSO surveys one scout from each NFC North team at the end of the year to rank the players on the other teams to establish an All Star team. Bigby was the unanimous choice for #1 at SS, the first unanimous selection at SS since Butler.

Where did you see that posted at JSO?