Wolf's Impact on the '09 Squad

[Patler]

Ideally, the heart of the team would be comprised of veterans in the prime of their careers, and there is a shortage of those guys still on this team. Here are the guys from that Sherman broght in:

Kampman, Barnett, Wells, Harris, Jenkins

So there are three (maybe four depending on your perspective on Harris, who had five years or so when Sherman brought him in) key guys from past GMs who are in the twilight of their careers and five (or 4) from past GMs who would appear to be in the midst of their prime years. That's not a lot (hence why the team has been the youngest in the league three years running). You could add Wood and Pickett to the list of guys in their prime as signings from the current GM.

You can probably add Chiller and Donald Lee as contributors in their prime years who were brought in by Thompson. Sherman left the team with some very good players, but just not enough of them.

[hoosier]

Donald Lee had a prime?

[Scott Campbell]

Frigg'n Sherman.

[Patler]

Donald Lee had a prime?

Prime years, prime years! Its based on age! Everyone has them!
I get you point, though!

In fairness to Lee, he will make a darn good second TE. Combine his stats (37/260/1) with Finley's (55/676/5) this year and they had 92 receptions for 936 yards and 6 TDs. Throw in Havner with 7/112 and 4 TDs and the TE position was pretty darn productive (99/1048/10). The position looks good for as long as all three are around.

[Scott Campbell]

Donald Lee had a prime?

Prime years, prime years! Its based on age! Everyone has them!
I get you point, though!

In fairness to Lee, he will make a darn good second TE. Combine his stats (37/260/1) with Finley's (55/676/5) this year and they had 92 receptions for 936 yards and 6 TDs. Throw in Havner with 7/112 and 4 TDs and the TE position was pretty darn productive (99/1048/10). The position looks good for as long as all three are around.

He had one pretty good year. And then he got his contract. I think he stunk this year. Too many dropsies.

[mraynrand]

Donald Lee had a prime?

Prime years, prime years! Its based on age! Everyone has them!
I get you point, though!

In fairness to Lee, he will make a darn good second TE. Combine his stats (37/260/1) with Finley's (55/676/5) this year and they had 92 receptions for 936 yards and 6 TDs. Throw in Havner with 7/112 and 4 TDs and the TE position was pretty darn productive (99/1048/10). The position looks good for as long as all three are around.

TT could have brought in Gonzales - he just didn't want to surround Favre with the talent he needed to win.

[sheepshead]

My gripe with the situation was this....Ron had to know he was a year away, yet he let Holmgren walk instead of working out a deal to have him take full control in a year, then he handed full control to an unknown like sherman.

That bothered me too, at the time, but not now looking back at it. Holmgren proved in Seattle that he was no more capable of handling both jobs than Sherman was in Green Bay.

Wolf has said several times that his decision to retire was sudden, and that he wasn't even contemplating it when Holmgren left. But, like you, I wonder if there wasn't a deep seeded desire to make sure Holmgren didn't have the chance to show that it was he and not Wolf that turned the Packers around.

I dont know about that, but Holmgren has proved to be a pretty good coach. Not HOF or legend status as he was touted. And a terrible front office guy. I think we should be thankful he left. It was a year too late and Harlen let him take too much with him, but I digress.

[Scott Campbell]

TT could have brought in Gonzales - he just didn't want to surround Favre with the talent he needed to win.

That's not funny. Some people really believe that.

[pbmax]

TT could have brought in Gonzales - he just didn't want to surround Favre with the talent he needed to win.

That's not funny. Some people really believe that.

They also should know he is currently injured. And while specific injuries are not predictable, I would hazard a complete guess that the odds of losing time to injuries increases with age.

[Fritz]

Vince brings up an interesting point. How many nine plus years guys are playing major roles on other teams? More specifically to this debate, how many of those guys are playing those roles for the same team for which they were drafted?

I imagine it would be fruitful to look at successful teams like Indy and Pittsburgh and see what those rosters would look like. Maybe I'll do that.

[Fritz]

The list for Indy includes Reggie Wayne, Ryan Diem, Peyton Manning, Jeff Saturday, Justin Snow, Matt Stover, and J. Stanford and I think Adam Vinitieri.

Now, how many of them were acquired by the GM for Indy nine years ago, I do not know. Two of those players are offensive lineman, one's the QB, one's a reciever, and aren't Stover, Vinatieri, and Stanford specialists?