The Official We got bent over by the officials thread

[Guiness]

That might have been legit. Was Finley down by contact or not? Usually if there is a question, officials will allow additional contact. The replay didn't show how he went down and there was no sound to indicate a whistle.

Thanks for the reminder of that one bobble, I'd forgotten, but noticed it at the time. The one on Finley was bs.

The way I saw it, the play was well over, and it should have been an unsportmanlike or taunting call - similar to the one Chillar got a while back.

IIRC, this is how it went.

Finley was sitting on his butt, didn't even have the ball anymore; it was lying on the ground beside him. Cardinal player comes over, I thought he was going to give Finley a hand and help him up, instead he shoves his shoulder pad. Not hard, but gives him a shove.

If the player thought the play was still live, he would've picked up the ball, not made contact.

Finley looks over at the ref who was pretty much standing right there and shrugs. Ref does nothing.

[Smidgeon]

That might have been legit. Was Finley down by contact or not? Usually if there is a question, officials will allow additional contact. The replay didn't show how he went down and there was no sound to indicate a whistle.

Thanks for the reminder of that one bobble, I'd forgotten, but noticed it at the time. The one on Finley was bs.

The way I saw it, the play was well over, and it should have been an unsportmanlike or taunting call - similar to the one Chillar got a while back.

IIRC, this is how it went.

Finley was sitting on his butt, didn't even have the ball anymore; it was lying on the ground beside him. Cardinal player comes over, I thought he was going to give Finley a hand and help him up, instead he shoves his shoulder pad. Not hard, but gives him a shove.

If the player thought the play was still live, he would've picked up the ball, not made contact.

Finley looks over at the ref who was pretty much standing right there and shrugs. Ref does nothing.

I have no problem with that non-call. Finley initiated that one. He was tackled and didn't even give the defender a chance to stand up before he started pushing him off his legs and trying to yank away. I'm sure words were spoken. I think the refs did a good job of letting a minor retaliation get by.

[Guiness]

Fitzgerald push-off on Woodson in the endzone? There were other calls too.

Yeah Fitzgerald had TWO offensive pass interference calls that weren't called on BOTH of his TD's. Cards probably still score but still, the refs fucked up. And then I'll add this: Giaordiana (whatever his name is, the safety) retaliated and hit a Cardinal and got flagged. 2 or 3 of those happened against the Packers and no calls.

+1 to the bolded. We got some bad calls, but truth is that Arizona failed to score on 2 possessions, one of which was a missed, very makeable, field goal.

[bigcoz75]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12768056/wildcard-judgements-officials-screw-pack-pats-miss-seymour

[mngolf19]

One thing mentioned on the radio today. On the last play, there is only 1 official that is following the QB and he wouldn't have seen a face mask due to following the loose ball at that point. Also, had the face mask been called it still would have been Cards ball in Pack territory with 15 tacked on. Just not an immediate TD as it played out.

[ThunderDan]

One thing mentioned on the radio today. On the last play, there is only 1 official that is following the QB and he wouldn't have seen a face mask due to following the loose ball at that point. Also, had the face mask been called it still would have been Cards ball in Pack territory with 15 tacked on. Just not an immediate TD as it played out.

I am not sure on that. ARI didn't have possesion of the ball when the facemasked occured.

I agree 100% to your statement if ARI had the ball in their hands at the time.

[Guiness]

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12768056/wildcard-judgements-officials-screw-pack-pats-miss-seymour

Wow, two mentions of the refs bad calls yesterday.

I know a lot of stuff goes uncalled during a game, but with the emphasis on QB's and protecting them, I'm really surprised at the ones the Cards got away with on Rodgers.

[bigcoz75]

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[red]

i guess we did get the shaft

doesn't matter at this point, we're done and there's no way to fix it

all we can do now is sit back and relax and hope someone drags that worthless fucking ref out of his house in the middle of the night and burns him at the stake

[channtheman]

That might have been legit. Was Finley down by contact or not? Usually if there is a question, officials will allow additional contact. The replay didn't show how he went down and there was no sound to indicate a whistle.

Thanks for the reminder of that one bobble, I'd forgotten, but noticed it at the time. The one on Finley was bs.

The way I saw it, the play was well over, and it should have been an unsportmanlike or taunting call - similar to the one Chillar got a while back.

IIRC, this is how it went.

Finley was sitting on his butt, didn't even have the ball anymore; it was lying on the ground beside him. Cardinal player comes over, I thought he was going to give Finley a hand and help him up, instead he shoves his shoulder pad. Not hard, but gives him a shove.

If the player thought the play was still live, he would've picked up the ball, not made contact.

Finley looks over at the ref who was pretty much standing right there and shrugs. Ref does nothing.

I have no problem with that non-call. Finley initiated that one. He was tackled and didn't even give the defender a chance to stand up before he started pushing him off his legs and trying to yank away. I'm sure words were spoken. I think the refs did a good job of letting a minor retaliation get by.

My problem with the no call there is Giardiano did the same thing in the game (hit a Card in the shoulder pad) and was immediately flagged.

[mngolf19]

From rule book:

OFFICIALS' JURISDICTIONS, POSITIONS, AND DUTIES

Referee—General oversight and control of game. Gives signals for all fouls and is final authority for rule interpretations. Takes a position in backfield 10 to 12 yards behind line of scrimmage, favors right side (if quarterback is right-handed passer). Determines legality of snap, observes deep back(s) for legal motion. On running play, observes quarterback during and after handoff, remains with him until action has cleared away, then proceeds downfield, checking on runner and contact behind him. When runner is downed, Referee determines forward progress from wing official and, if necessary, adjusts final position of ball.

On pass plays, drops back as quarterback begins to fade back, picks up legality of blocks by near linemen. Changes to complete concentration on quarterback as defenders approach. Primarily responsible to rule on possible roughing action on passer and if ball becomes loose, rules whether ball is free on a fumble or dead on an incomplete pass.


And the ball was considered a "loose ball" meaning no team had possession therefore any penalty that occurred during that time would have no affect on the determination of who gets the ball. The way we know it was considered a "loose ball" is due to the fact it was called a fumble and not an int.

[bobblehead]

You all forgot the dude that decided to shove finley while he was laying on the ground. Ref standing 5 feet away, finley jumped up looking for a flag, but hitting a guy well after the play isn't a penalty anymore than Fitz flattening Woodsen, Warner taking his helmet off on the field to yell at his teammate, or hitting rodgers helmet to helmet.

I will say we set the tone for the loss with our 2 immediate turnovers, but when your guys battle all the way back it would be nice to get a fair call.

PS...forgot to mention the only reason Jenkins slapped warner in the head is he was being obscenly held and back pedalling to warner with a guy grabbing his jersey.

That might have been legit. Was Finley down by contact or not? Usually if there is a question, officials will allow additional contact. The replay didn't show how he went down and there was no sound to indicate a whistle.

finley was down and had set the football aside if I remember right, the guy who tackled him was likely the same one that decided to shove him about 4 seconds after the play and everyone else was standing around.

[bobblehead]

From rule book:

OFFICIALS' JURISDICTIONS, POSITIONS, AND DUTIES

Referee—General oversight and control of game. Gives signals for all fouls and is final authority for rule interpretations. Takes a position in backfield 10 to 12 yards behind line of scrimmage, favors right side (if quarterback is right-handed passer). Determines legality of snap, observes deep back(s) for legal motion. On running play, observes quarterback during and after handoff, remains with him until action has cleared away, then proceeds downfield, checking on runner and contact behind him. When runner is downed, Referee determines forward progress from wing official and, if necessary, adjusts final position of ball.

On pass plays, drops back as quarterback begins to fade back, picks up legality of blocks by near linemen. Changes to complete concentration on quarterback as defenders approach. Primarily responsible to rule on possible roughing action on passer and if ball becomes loose, rules whether ball is free on a fumble or dead on an incomplete pass.


And the ball was considered a "loose ball" meaning no team had possession therefore any penalty that occurred during that time would have no affect on the determination of who gets the ball. The way we know it was considered a "loose ball" is due to the fact it was called a fumble and not an int.

which was the wrong call...arm was clearly moving forward. If ARod isn't facemasked he likely doesn't kick the ball back up to be intercepted. Look, I'm sour grapes about the whole game being officiated for shit, not that one play.

[mraynrand]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/These-refs-will-never-be-accused-of-coddling-the?urn=nfl,212716

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From the article:
"First, on second-and-10, Rodgers dumped the ball off to Jarrett Bush(notes) on a play that went for about 15 yards. We actually did see a flag there, but it was for holding on the Packers, not the blatant helmet-to-helmet hit Rodgers took after getting rid of the ball."



Jarrett Bush?

Lot of credibility there.

[channtheman]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/These-refs-will-never-be-accused-of-coddling-the?urn=nfl,212716

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From the article:
"First, on second-and-10, Rodgers dumped the ball off to Jarrett Bush(notes) on a play that went for about 15 yards. We actually did see a flag there, but it was for holding on the Packers, not the blatant helmet-to-helmet hit Rodgers took after getting rid of the ball."



Jarrett Bush?

Lot of credibility there.

I saw that too. Probably thought the number read 24 and have no clue about anything so they just put his name in there. Credibility or not though, there were 3 penalties on Rodgers, helmet to helmet, then a hand to the face, then a facemask. For none of those to be called is just amazing.