Fire Capers

[hoosier]

This is a ridiculous thread. When they pressured Warner early they didn't get home. When they sat in coverage they got burned.

Coaching can only take you so far. At some point players have to make plays. Four and five man rushes were extremely ineffective today. Had they been, which has nothing to do with coaching, it would have been a much different game.

What he said.

Back it up... any of you!!!!

I defy any of you!!!!

Go ahead, fight me on this... we gave up 51 pts, Dom has a history - plenty of fodder to fight with.

Am I missing something???

I mentioned the '96 NFC Championship Game... was ecstatic with Dom's defensive game plan

Put us in the SB...

51 pts... surely this is Jarret Bush's fault, right???

Your insinuation that Capers's scheme cost Carolina the 1996 championship game is ridiculous--as are your ideas about what TT should do with his DC in 2010. Capers didn't lose the NFCCG in 96, the Panthers lost to a much more talented and experienced team. Look at who they had on offense that year: a young Kerry Collins, a nobody at RB named Anthony Johnson, Wesley Walls and a bunch of average WRs. The defense and special teams were the only things that stood out about that team, and the defensive success they had was a credit to Capers as much or more than it was to their talent, which was not exactly overwhelming.

Fire Capers because the defense gave up 45 points to Arizona? I guess the Cardinals should fire their DC for giving up 45 to GB too then. This was a painful loss, but it is too bad that the amazing near-comeback engineered by Rodgers has to be overshadowed by loose canons calling for everyone's head while remaining totally oblivious to what continuity brings to a team.

[channtheman]

Stupid thread

45 pts... care to defend???

Fixed.

That's much better looking. It's acceptable to give up only 45. Once you break the 50 point barrier though it's terrible.

[hoosier]

dp

[wist43]

I don't accept "lack of depth" as an excuse... maybe a "lack of depth" gets you to giving up, what??? 30 pts... but I'm a defensive guy... winnning a game 10-6 is a beautiful thing in my view

There's no excuse for a DC essentially saying, "okay, let's play Harlem Globe Trotters" and give everyone free releases... wow, that is just some kind of stupid.

The one punt they did force... I laughed, coz Woodson actually had Fitz in man coverage right off the line - jeez??? ya think ya might be on to something there???

Watch the Baltimore game... that is defense. What Dom Capers trotted out there was embarrassing.

You can't have it both way guys, i.e. "we're the #2 defense in the league - but a couple of injuries = 51 pts"

As I said... something wrong with this picture... don't think it unreasonable to look at Dom.

[Bretsky]

This is a ridiculous thread. When they pressured Warner early they didn't get home. When they sat in coverage they got burned.

Coaching can only take you so far. At some point players have to make plays. Four and five man rushes were extremely ineffective today. Had they been, which has nothing to do with coaching, it would have been a much different game.

What he said.

Back it up... any of you!!!!

I defy any of you!!!!

Go ahead, fight me on this... we gave up 51 pts, Dom has a history - plenty of fodder to fight with.

Am I missing something???
I mentioned the '96 NFC Championship Game... was ecstatic with Dom's defensive game plan

Put us in the SB...

51 pts... surely this is Jarret Bush's fault, right???

What is this history you speak of ? You using the 96 game; is that really all ? Ripping him for today is fine; but is that other game all you really have ? How has Dom faired with other teams as the DC ? Give me a history lesson if you are calling for him to be fired.

[Fosco33]

No fucking way do you fire Capers.

You either face an onfire Warner - or the shitty Warner. We got the former.

[esoxx]

The two turnover's on the first three offensive plays put them a big hole before the game even settled in. I'm not going to bash Capers for that.

This is the first year of running the 3-4. They led the league in run D. Now it's time to clean up the back end.

You're nuts to fire Capers and essentiallly start over on D.

[sheepshead]

I thought this was a joke...let it die.

[BZnDallas]

I don't accept "lack of depth" as an excuse... maybe a "lack of depth" gets you to giving up, what??? 30 pts... but I'm a defensive guy... winnning a game 10-6 is a beautiful thing in my view

There's no excuse for a DC essentially saying, "okay, let's play Harlem Globe Trotters" and give everyone free releases... wow, that is just some kind of stupid.

The one punt they did force... I laughed, coz Woodson actually had Fitz in man coverage right off the line - jeez??? ya think ya might be on to something there???

Watch the Baltimore game... that is defense. What Dom Capers trotted out there was embarrassing.

You can't have it both way guys, i.e. "we're the #2 defense in the league - but a couple of injuries = 51 pts"

As I said... something wrong with this picture... don't think it unreasonable to look at Dom.

i love the fact that we can't have it both ways, yet you say Dom is a good coach but can't win the big one... you say Doms defense wins a SB inspite of himself... you say Dom loses the '96 championship game b/c of his defense when that '96 GB team had a No. 1 offense and defense and was obviously the best team in football that year... (didn't carolina whoop the shit out of the cowboys a week before that?)... you say you can tell we were gonna lose this game b/c of the first drive when we were on defense... easy to call that, when they had such a short field... you say YOU are a 'defensive guy', where do you coach??? c'mon you are better than that...

i think Dom def could have done better today... but so could the players!! i agree we need to send more blitzes with more guys... play some bump and run and try and get warner on his ass early!... but to fire the guy after one year when he has done so much with this defense (and if remember correctly you say we have so little talent on the defensive side of the ball)... OVERREACTION???? c'mon wist you are better than that...

[MJZiggy]

I thought this was a joke...let it die.

Ohferchrissakes people. Now you've got me agreeing with Sheepshead? Knock it off!!

[wist43]

Actually, with a sufficient improvement in defensive talent... I believe even "Dom 'i am a pussy under pressure' Capers" can win championships...

He proved that last year... none of us will ever know how much influence Mike Tomlin had on him... given the game plans I saw executed while he was with the Steelers, I can't believe Capers was in complete control.

I know Capers won't be fired... but to me, there is never, ever, an excuse to go into a "do or die" game, and play passively - to me, it is nauseating.

I first came to, shall we say "maturity", as a student of Buddy Ryans 46... I studied if for hours on end, and had seriously considered going into coaching (for good or ill, as far as defensive football is concerned, Buddy Ryan is my hero ) - it is in my nature to be aggressive; hence, I readily recognize weakness in others... Dom Capers is only aggressive if forcecd - and that is what I can't stand about the guy.

You guys can make excuses all you want... but look at the tape. If he comes in with a "passive" game plan - the overall game plan necessarily has to be - to score 40+ pts...

What sense does that make??? Has M3 even considered that??? Does he solely sit in offensive meetings completely oblivious to the fact that his DC has conceded 40+ pts???

From the very first snap, I knew, that from a defensive standpoint they were committed to giving up 40+ pts... was M3 on that same page???

As I said, it is not rocket science... if you're allowing the slot receiver free release the entire game - I don't care if the slot receiver is Hillary Clinton or Dolly Parton... you're going to be giving up an awful lot of first downs, and an awful lot of pts.

Am I missing something???

Tell ya what... make me the OC of your opposition, give me Hillary Clinton as my slot receiver, and play those coverages - I'll still kick your ass with 51 pts.

I don't care who you are, what team you coach, what scheme you run, where you were born, what color your skin...

51 pts??? That is a complete embarrassment.

Go ahead, defend it!!! Al Harris's knee??? Gimme a break... surely Dom is innocent , and 51 pts is not only acceptable, but defensible

[The Leaper]

You don't fire Capers. The guy made this defense respectable...even with the losses of Harris and Kampman. If you had said before the season that the defense would lose Harris and Kampman, most would've assumed the defense would've gone into the tank.

Should he be taken to task for this defensive gameplan? Sure he should. He should be told that kind of disappearing act will not be tolerated again.

The defense has some needs. We clearly are very thin in the secondary...which is dangerous when the playoffs is full of elite QBs and offenses these days.

Overall, the defense took a major step forward this year...but more work needs to be done, obviously. Give Capers a chance to finish the job...I really don't see anyone on the staff capable of stepping up to DC right now.

[wist43]

I thought this was a joke...let it die.

Ohferchrissakes people. Now you've got me agreeing with Sheepshead? Knock it off!!

Com'on MJ...

You know me to far too intelligent to stake out an indefensible position... Breeds Hill, or Bunker Hill, lol... I'm willing to fight this one out

BTW, we found out a couple of days ago, it's a girl... I'll be the oldest dad at graduation

Super psyched about that

[retailguy]

I thought this was a joke...let it die.

Ohferchrissakes people. Now you've got me agreeing with Sheepshead? Knock it off!!

the ground is shaking here. I think it's the big one.

[MJZiggy]

I thought this was a joke...let it die.

Ohferchrissakes people. Now you've got me agreeing with Sheepshead? Knock it off!!

Com'on MJ...

You know me to far too intelligent to stake out an indefensible position... Breeds Hill, or Bunker Hill, lol... I'm willing to fight this one out

BTW, we found out a couple of days ago, it's a girl... I'll be the oldest dad at graduation

Super psyched about that

Yay girl! Congrats papa! (but they're just not going to fire Dom Capers)(and don't go overboard with the pink--and no pink packer gear. Green and gold or nada.)(except the breast cancer cap.)