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Wait....what now? What the fuck is incidental face masking? Theres no such thing anymore right?Originally posted by 3irty1 -
Yeah, but still nobody's addressing the hand to the face of the QB. Per PFT:
There's another issue with the play that Pereira doesn't address. Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(3) plainly states that defenders may not "use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer in the head, neck, or face."
So while the contact between Adams' hand and Rodgers' facemask possibly might have avoided scrutiny (somehow) under Rule 12, Section 2, Article 5 if Rodgers were running with the ball, there's no way around Rule 12, Section 2, Article 13(3) when the guy wearing the helmet in question is a passer.No longer the member of any fan clubs. I'm tired of jinxing players out of the league and into obscurity.Comment
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LOL @ justifying not calling a face mask on a QB being the "correct call" because it was "just a finger" and he didn't "twist or pull." I know they have to try to spin this positively since it was the deciding play in an OT playoff game, but what a pile of wacky horseshit."You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - PartialComment
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That's just horrible. Say you missed it and move on. ARod was on the ground and the ARI player still was incidentally touching his facemask.But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.
-Tim HarmstonComment
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I'm with Skin on this one.Originally posted by SkinBasketWhen the going gets weird, the weird turn pro ~Hunter S.Comment
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By incidental he means touching that doesn't get penalized. The new rules don't penalize all touching of facemask with 15 yards, just those where the helmet visibly gets jerked around. Otherwise the refs are supposed to let it go.Originally posted by Zool
FWIW, Rodgers's helmet clearly got turned around, the explanation is nothing more than CYA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZCbmc0IIM4Comment
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i don't think that's true hoosierOriginally posted by hoosier
you can't tough the facemask at all. they didn't get rid of the 5 yard incidental rule. they made the incidental facemask the same as a full blown grab
you can't touch a guys facemask, and you sure as hell can't touch any part of a qb above his shouldersComment
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Unfortunately, as PFT pointed out, you are not allowed to "incidentally" touch the QB's head either. So if it wasn't one, it was the other. Horrible explanation.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Please compare helmet nearly riding on Rodgers nose:
to the non-facemask position.
[img]http://media.jsonline.com/images/600*583/mjs-packers11_-spt_-lynn_-15-packers11.jpg[/img]
images from Journal Sentinel online game photo gallery.Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.Comment
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Hoosier is correct. They changed the rule a year or 2 ago. The refs are now supposed to let "incidental" facemasks go uncalled. Only the 15 yard severe facemask penalty remains.Originally posted by red
The explanation is BS, plain and simple. For one, the facemasking was severe. Adams grabbed the facemask and you can easily tell he moved Rodgers' helmet around. For two, you can't hit a QB near the head anyways.
F you NFLGo PACKComment
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As good as the NFL is in some areas, they have absolutely NO credibility in retrospectively assessing calls. Their exclusive goal is to defend the official's decision: they do not give a shit whether the call was right or not. They will not admit fault unless its of the magnitude of SD-Den last year, and even that was surprising. This is a total PR move so they don't have to say "yeah, we messed up and the wrong team moved on." I am not surprised in the least by their response. It would be nice not to consistently be on the wrong side of the calls for once that's for sure.Comment
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Strange interpretation - but Pack didn't get robbed or deserve to win.
Even if they gave him 5 yards and a 1st down - can't say they would've won.
If AR doesn't fumble (and gets sacked), it's 4th and long. Packers punt and play 'defense'.
If they ruled it incomplete, it's 4th and 5. Again - punt and 'defense'.
If you play on the road in the playoffs, you have to play strong defense and hope for some breaks. 3 turnovers and no Defense = Loss.
Time to move on.The measure of who we are is what we do with what we have.
Vince Lombardi
"Not really interested in being a spoiler or an underdog. We're the Green Bay Packers." McCarthy.Comment
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NFL spin doctors are lame.C.H.U.D.Comment
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That's not what Pereira says about "incidental" grabbing: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/81383907.htmlOriginally posted by pbmax
Agreed that his explanation sucks insofar as it doesn't apply at all to what Adams did to Rodgers. As somebody else suggested, Pereira should have just admitted they blew it and moved on. To my mind it's entirely understandable that the referee is going to be watching the ball to determine fumble vs. tuck and then recovery, and not watching the QBs facemask.Here's what Pereira said:
Well, I think you have to look at the rule. We made this adjustment in the rule two years ago and we basically followed college, interestingly enough, and said that we were going to get rid of the incidental grab of the facemask so the grab of the mask that didn't include a pull, a twist or a turn. And that really led us to staying away from the type of grab of the mask that doesn't create the possibility of injury. And that's what you're looking at here.
This is the really the one that fell into that category of being in the incidental grab. Because he takes him down but there's no real pull, no twist. When you look at the others we called earlier in the game...Comment
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