Five things I think I think.

[ND72]

#1 - Think of this. People that were to be interviewed by Ted Thompson when Sherman was fired....Brad Childress, Sean Payton, Wade Phillips, Tim Lewis, and Mike McCarthy. I think Thompson had a good eye for a head coach. Although I will throw in my opinion, I wanted Sean Payton.

#2 - I think Brad Childress is a horrible coach.

#3 - I will probably take a beating for this, but I truly think Brett Favre could not win the big game. I know he won a Super Bowl, I know he made it to another. But think about the rest of his resume.

#4 - I really think the Colts are an under-rated great team. I don't think people really realize how good this team is.

#5 - The Saints are going to need a much better offensive day than they did against Minny to win the Super Bowl.

[Joemailman]

1. Agree. MM is a better coach than most people realized at the time.

2. Not horrible, but not good enough to win it all. He did go 10-6 last year with nothing at QB.

3. Disagree. Favre in his prime went to 2 consecutive Super Bowls. He was the main reason the Vikings, with their fumble-itis, were even in the game yesterday. Remember, players who never make it to a big game are never accused of being unable to win a big game.

4. Colts are a good team that knows how to win, not a great team.

5. Agree. Brees especially needs to play better if the Saints are to have a chance.

[pbmax]

#1 - I was just hoping it wasn't Phillips. Beside his defenses in Denver, all I knew about him was that he kept going back to Rob Johnson as QB in Buffalo over Doug Flutie. Of course, 95% of the NFL underestimated Flutie.

#2 - If there is someone in Minnesota the Packers could covet, its their personnel guy, not their coach.

#3 - I am not sure about "could not win" but the great unanswered question is: If you can discipline yourself for 16 regular season games and 1 playoff game, why can you not be disciplined for one more? And why did it take moving to the Vikings at age 40 to do it?

#4 - Yes they are and another Super Bowl win will eliminate the lack of notice. But I am torn by this version. In some respects, they should be better than the 2006 version but have struggled more. Collie and Garcon are not Marvin Harrsion, but they are good. And the Defense should be better, although the playoff performance of the 2006 defense is hard to challenge.

#5 - Yes, before the complete Viking meltdown, the most commented theme of the game was how tight the Saints looked on offense, esp. Brees.

[ND72]

Like I said, I knew I would take heat for #3. I know he went to 2 straight Super Bowls, I get that, but since then, his resume is not great. I know the 98 playoffs vs. SF was probably the inability for the defense to stop the 49ers, but we lost. In the past decade, we've had some ugly playoff games.

Favre's 5 INT's vs. St. Louis, Mike Vick completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Culpepper completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Eli Manning out played Favre in the NFC Championship in Lambeau, heck even Hasselback out played Favre in the playoffs even though we "took the ball and scored" in OT. I know the fact we lost to Philly was more on the shoulders of the Defense for the 4th & 26, but Favre did throw the stupid INT in OT.

That's the resume I am talking about.

I know he had a great Divisional game for us in 07, and Minny this year, but the NFC Championship games haven't turned out well for him. I know it was only because of him that Minny was in the game yesterday, but in the end, he cost them...even though I will say Childress cost them more.

[ND72]

I'm sorry, I just saw the Favre comments thing....is this under that "claus"? I'm not meaning to cause anything, just discussing.

[Smidgeon]

#3 - I am not sure about "could not win" but the great unanswered question is: If you can discipline yourself for 16 regular season games and 1 playoff game, why can you not be disciplined for one more? And why did it take moving to the Vikings at age 40 to do it?

And why, oh why, did it take until he was 40 to tie for the league lead in fewest interceptions (for QBs who threw a certain number of passes, etc)?

[sharpe1027]

Like I said, I knew I would take heat for #3. I know he went to 2 straight Super Bowls, I get that, but since then, his resume is not great. I know the 98 playoffs vs. SF was probably the inability for the defense to stop the 49ers, but we lost. In the past decade, we've had some ugly playoff games.

Favre's 5 INT's vs. St. Louis, Mike Vick completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Culpepper completely out playing Favre in Lambeau, Eli Manning out played Favre in the NFC Championship in Lambeau, heck even Hasselback out played Favre in the playoffs even though we "took the ball and scored" in OT. I know the fact we lost to Philly was more on the shoulders of the Defense for the 4th & 26, but Favre did throw the stupid INT in OT.

That's the resume I am talking about.

I know he had a great Divisional game for us in 07, and Minny this year, but the NFC Championship games haven't turned out well for him. I know it was only because of him that Minny was in the game yesterday, but in the end, he cost them...even though I will say Childress cost them more.

I disagree with Eli out playing Favre, but agree with the general premise. I really didn't think that Eli played that well. He was inaccurate all day and got bailed out by his WRs several times. He threw some passes that landed in the middle of nowhere.

Unless you subscribe to the theme that "it's better to be lucky than good," IMHO Eli's play was over-hyped because people expected him to completely flop. I think he exceeded expectations, they were just not very high to begin with.

[gbgary]

Re: Five things I think I think.

#1 - Think of this. People that were to be interviewed by Ted Thompson when Sherman was fired....Brad Childress, Sean Payton, Wade Phillips, Tim Lewis, and Mike McCarthy. I think Thompson had a good eye for a head coach. Although I will throw in my opinion, I wanted Sean Payton.

#2 - I think Brad Childress is a horrible coach.

#3 - I will probably take a beating for this, but I truly think Brett Favre could not win the big game. I know he won a Super Bowl, I know he made it to another. But think about the rest of his resume.

#4 - I really think the Colts are an under-rated great team. I don't think people really realize how good this team is.

#5 - The Saints are going to need a much better offensive day than they did against Minny to win the Super Bowl.

mm? the jury's still out as far as i'm concerned. at least i'm not calling for his beheading any longer.

chilly? i think he's wade phillips like.

brett? he could've won it all. he's still got it.

colts? under-rated? i don't think so. they've been touted as number 1 all year i think.

saints? i don't think the colt's d is as good as minn's so i think they'll be ok. i think it's gonna be another shoot-out.

[swede]

Re: Five things I think I think.

brett? he could've won it all. he's still got it.

Certainly he carved out another niche in NFL history for his brilliant regular season campaign; his arm was magnificent as ever, but...

What he's still got is the inability to NOT make a throw he shouldn't make.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

[gbgary]

Re: Five things I think I think.

brett? he could've won it all. he's still got it.

Certainly he carved out another niche in NFL history for his brilliant regular season campaign; his arm was magnificent as ever, but...

What he's still got is the inability to NOT make a throw he shouldn't make.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

i hear ya. i'm just sayin'.

[swede]

Re: Five things I think I think.

brett? he could've won it all. he's still got it.

Certainly he carved out another niche in NFL history for his brilliant regular season campaign; his arm was magnificent as ever, but...

What he's still got is the inability to NOT make a throw he shouldn't make.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

i hear ya. i'm just sayin'.

I blame myself. I was so impressed by the gutty way he responded to the beating he was taking that my "Mad-at-Favre" mindset was wavering. Like when Darth Vader breaks down and throws the Emperor down the shaft because he was messing up Luke. I was just starting to believe again. The old man kept getting up and coming back out on the field. And then he threw the pick while the team was within a reasonable Longwell shot at a FG. Favre has a legacy now that will cause any number of fistfights in Green Bay bars for years to come. He was at once brilliant and yet capable of game-killing mistakes that no rookie should make.

[Smidgeon]

Re: Five things I think I think.

Has any quarterback lost as many NFC championship games as Brett?

I was thinking about this the other day--well, about how many NFC Championship games he's been in. Anyone got any statistics about how many times he's been in the NFC Championship game versus other historic QBs?

[Tony Oday]

2000 - Missed playoffs
2001 - Missed playoffs
2002 - 6 INT loss to Rams
2003 - 2 INT 1 fumble home loss to Falcons... See More
2004 - OT INT in loss to Eagles (4th & 26 game)
2005 - 4 INT loss to Queens
2006 - Missed playoffs
2007 - Missed playoffs
2008 - OT INT loss to Giants (stomach punch game)
2009 - Missed playoffs
2010 - INT on final drive in OT

[sheepshead]

payton is far and away a better HC than MM right now. Chilly did a better job then MM in my opinion this year. MM could be our guy but he needs to start winning playoff games quickly.

[Tony Oday]

payton is far and away a better HC than MM right now. Chilly did a better job then MM in my opinion this year. MM could be our guy but he needs to start winning playoff games quickly.

Ah Payton SHOULD have lost in the NFC Championship game because of his play calling. The Vikings defense is vulnerable to the pass and the final couple of drives he was playcalling scared and was doing the classic run on 1st and 2nd then throwing. I think he still gets the edge on MM but not a clear victory.

Chilli is God Awful. He is the best thing to happen to the Pack and the North since Mike Tice.