PACK and THEIR OWN--WHO WILL THEY TRY TO KEEP ????

[Joemailman]

Maybe I've got it wrong, but I'm really underwhelmed by the available talent at 3-4 OLB in this draft. Because of that, I think TT makes a strong push to keep Kampman here. I don't think Kampman struggled as much as a lot of people think, and should be better if he can fully recover from the injury.

[Fritz]

Well, I guess we can drop Bigby right now if people would rather see Jarrett Bush starting there. Hopefully, an upgrade will come from the draft, but right now Bigby is as good as we've got at SS.

Can we have Frank Walker Back; who'd have ever thought he'd look good on paper in our secondary

He never looked good actually playing in our secondary, however. No thank you. At least Bigby will occasionally make that drive ending INT in the end zone to prevent sure points. From time to time Bigby has looked the part, which is much more than anybody can say for Walker.

I think Frank Walker was playing more CB for the Ravens, wasn't he ? I'd take him over Bush, Bell, and the rest of the B Team we had after our starters

Bretsky, you're losing your mind. Frank Walkere?

Criminy, man, the draft's coming up. A rookie fifth rounder might look better than Frank Walker. Buck up!

[Gunakor]

Bigby...no surprise that they are debating on what to do with that guy

NO SURPRISE?!?!

According to several well informed packerrats, Bigby alone was responsible for our defense this year! ALL OF IT! ALL OUR DEFENSE BELONGS TO ATARI! How could we not tender him!? Oh lordy lordy lordy! Sweet Baby Jesus help us all if we don't!

You can't argue the timeline. The defense kicked into the next gear with Bigby's return from injury. Maybe another SS could have done the same thing, in fact I'm sure there are others that could have done as well as Bigby, but there aren't any on OUR team.

When we get someone better, then we'll talk about getting rid of Bigby.

I know! Without Bigby, this defense obviously would have been in the bottom two instead of the top two! He brought the magical peanut butter that kept this defensive jelly sandwich together and then he really solidified the middle of the field against Arizona in the playoffs with his excellent safety play! Hallelujah!

Despite that, the issue is whether we keep him moving forward. No one's arguing that we do have a better player right now. I'm assuming the Packers would attempt to find another safety if they don't try to keep Bigby.

Then again, I don't know why they don't just let Kampman go, cut Al Harris, trade Matthews and Woodson, fire Capers, and use that money to sign Bigby to a massive contract, considering that some of you guys believe he was exponentially more important to our defense than all those guys combined.

Oh I agree, you'd always look for an upgrade. But you seemed surprised that they'd tender Bigby in the first place. Why not just tender Bigby WHILE looking for someone better? Last thing you'd want is to lose Bigby because you wouldn't make an offer in the first place, only to find that you can't find anyone better.

Bottom line is we don't have anybody that can do what Bigby does on our roster right now, so you do what you can to keep Bigby until you find someone who can do what he does better than he does it. Even if you assume the Packers are looking for an upgrade, you shouldn't assume they'll definitely find one.

Nobody ever implied Bigby should get a massive contract. Why the extremes - either Bigby is cut and gone or he's getting this huge contract. How about Bigby gets a nice little tender that's still worth peanuts compared to other SS in the NFL, and if we find someone else we let them compete for the job? Then if and when Bigby loses we have a serviceable backup safety, something we didn't really have this year. It's crazy, I know, but it just might work! Think we should give it a try?

[KYPack]

Well, I guess we can drop Bigby right now if people would rather see Jarrett Bush starting there. Hopefully, an upgrade will come from the draft, but right now Bigby is as good as we've got at SS.

Can we have Frank Walker Back; who'd have ever thought he'd look good on paper in our secondary

He never looked good actually playing in our secondary, however. No thank you. At least Bigby will occasionally make that drive ending INT in the end zone to prevent sure points. From time to time Bigby has looked the part, which is much more than anybody can say for Walker.

I think Frank Walker was playing more CB for the Ravens, wasn't he ? I'd take him over Bush, Bell, and the rest of the B Team we had after our starters

Slot and nickel corner.

He's pretty good at it.

Thankless job.

Best slot corner I've ever seen was Al Harris.

Terrell Buckley was the second best. I know, everybody in GB hemorrhages when ya say that, but it's true.

[KYPack]

As far as Giacomini goes, I apologize. Next time I'll try to time my response to work around your mental limitations and spare your precious little feelings. That was mean of me not to read everyone's resposnes before composing my own.

Don't worry, my feelings aren't injured too badly. I'm sure they'll grow back. I've been accused of worse than switching the similar last names of two 3rd string Italian football players before, believe it or not. Thank you for your concern, though.

Back to the correct term for a group of punters- a "puff"?

On my lunch break the perfect name for a group of punters occured to me: a "shank" of punters.

Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner.

A fucking "shank" it is.

That's what we need, a shank of punters and one of 'em that's worth a shit.

[get louder at lambeau]

Best slot corner I've ever seen was Al Harris.

Terrell Buckley was the second best. I know, everybody in GB hemorrhages when ya say that, but it's true.

Here's an interesting stat that shows how far off public opinion of a player can be-

NFL Defensive Player Of The Year Charles Woodson currently has 45 INTs in his 12 year career. Terrell Buckley had 47 in the first 12 years of his. One is a Packer hero, the other is considered a joke and wasted draft pick. I only hope Jarrett Bush ends up the next Terrell Buckley, and not the next Joey Thomas.

[Joemailman]

Well, it might have something to do with the fact that only 10 of Buckley's INT's came as a Packer, whereas 26 of Woodson's INT's have come as a Packer. Or it might have to do with Buckley's tendency to be hopefully out of position due to lack of discipline whereas Woodson is almost always where he should be. Or it might have something to do with the fact that Buckley liked to let his mouth do the talking, whereas Chuck let's his play do the talking. Bucklet got better after he Packers traded him, but as a Packer he was a huge disappointment.

[SkinBasket]

Bigby...no surprise that they are debating on what to do with that guy

NO SURPRISE?!?!

According to several well informed packerrats, Bigby alone was responsible for our defense this year! ALL OF IT! ALL OUR DEFENSE BELONGS TO ATARI! How could we not tender him!? Oh lordy lordy lordy! Sweet Baby Jesus help us all if we don't!

You can't argue the timeline. The defense kicked into the next gear with Bigby's return from injury. Maybe another SS could have done the same thing, in fact I'm sure there are others that could have done as well as Bigby, but there aren't any on OUR team.

When we get someone better, then we'll talk about getting rid of Bigby.

I know! Without Bigby, this defense obviously would have been in the bottom two instead of the top two! He brought the magical peanut butter that kept this defensive jelly sandwich together and then he really solidified the middle of the field against Arizona in the playoffs with his excellent safety play! Hallelujah!

Despite that, the issue is whether we keep him moving forward. No one's arguing that we do have a better player right now. I'm assuming the Packers would attempt to find another safety if they don't try to keep Bigby.

Then again, I don't know why they don't just let Kampman go, cut Al Harris, trade Matthews and Woodson, fire Capers, and use that money to sign Bigby to a massive contract, considering that some of you guys believe he was exponentially more important to our defense than all those guys combined.

Oh I agree, you'd always look for an upgrade. But you seemed surprised that they'd tender Bigby in the first place. Why not just tender Bigby WHILE looking for someone better? Last thing you'd want is to lose Bigby because you wouldn't make an offer in the first place, only to find that you can't find anyone better.

Bottom line is we don't have anybody that can do what Bigby does on our roster right now, so you do what you can to keep Bigby until you find someone who can do what he does better than he does it. Even if you assume the Packers are looking for an upgrade, you shouldn't assume they'll definitely find one.

Nobody ever implied Bigby should get a massive contract. Why the extremes - either Bigby is cut and gone or he's getting this huge contract. How about Bigby gets a nice little tender that's still worth peanuts compared to other SS in the NFL, and if we find someone else we let them compete for the job? Then if and when Bigby loses we have a serviceable backup safety, something we didn't really have this year. It's crazy, I know, but it just might work! Think we should give it a try?

The massive Bigby contract was a joke based on the assertions of several posters here that Bigby is the sole reason this defense turned the corner.

I'm not surprised they would tender him. In fact, I thought he was under contract for another 2 years. I think he's the weakest link in this defense, so I hope they don't tender him. My assumption being that they would have someone else in mind or in place that would be an upgrade. I understand my version of upgrade is a few notches lower than others' version of an upgrade, but I think when you look at this defense as a whole, SS has got to be one of the first places you look to make drastic (hopefully in a positive direction) changes, as I happen to think it's obvious that it's the weakest position on the defense.

Honestly I think Bush is close to Bigby as far as value and talent go. And that's not a good thing for Atari.

[KYPack]

Best slot corner I've ever seen was Al Harris.

Terrell Buckley was the second best. I know, everybody in GB hemorrhages when ya say that, but it's true.

Here's an interesting stat that shows how far off public opinion of a player can be-

NFL Defensive Player Of The Year Charles Woodson currently has 45 INTs in his 12 year career. Terrell Buckley had 47 in the first 12 years of his. One is a Packer hero, the other is considered a joke and wasted draft pick. I only hope Jarrett Bush ends up the next Terrell Buckley, and not the next Joey Thomas.

Sometimes guys are saddled with their draft position. Two guys that leap to mind are Buckley and Desmond Howard. Buckley was not a corner that could play effectively as a starter. But man, he was a brilliant slot corner. Desmond Howard was like the 6th guy picked. So the Skins played him as the starting Z reciever. He flopped at that job. He couldn't do it. He was a brilliant return guy and a slot guy in a 4 receiver set. Wolf got him and he bloomed when given the job he could handle

That's why I'm a big proponent of bring in Vets. Bring 'em in and see if their former team didn't play them in the right spot. Find out there is another job they can handle.

[Gunakor]

I'm not surprised they would tender him. In fact, I thought he was under contract for another 2 years. I think he's the weakest link in this defense, so I hope they don't tender him. My assumption being that they would have someone else in mind or in place that would be an upgrade. I understand my version of upgrade is a few notches lower than others' version of an upgrade, but I think when you look at this defense as a whole, SS has got to be one of the first places you look to make drastic (hopefully in a positive direction) changes, as I happen to think it's obvious that it's the weakest position on the defense.

Honestly I think Bush is close to Bigby as far as value and talent go. And that's not a good thing for Atari.

You realize that they'd have to find TWO new guys that were both better than Bigby before they could be comfortable letting Bigby go, don't you? Even if Bigby was the worst starting SS in the NFL in 2009, he had the worst backup safeties in the NFL behind him on the depth chart. Bigby would be more than serviceable as a backup safety, especially after having a few seasons starting experience under his belt. I have no problem with him being on our roster in 2010.

[SkinBasket]

I'm not surprised they would tender him. In fact, I thought he was under contract for another 2 years. I think he's the weakest link in this defense, so I hope they don't tender him. My assumption being that they would have someone else in mind or in place that would be an upgrade. I understand my version of upgrade is a few notches lower than others' version of an upgrade, but I think when you look at this defense as a whole, SS has got to be one of the first places you look to make drastic (hopefully in a positive direction) changes, as I happen to think it's obvious that it's the weakest position on the defense.

Honestly I think Bush is close to Bigby as far as value and talent go. And that's not a good thing for Atari.

You realize that they'd have to find TWO new guys that were both better than Bigby before they could be comfortable letting Bigby go, don't you? Even if Bigby was the worst starting SS in the NFL in 2009, he had the worst backup safeties in the NFL behind him on the depth chart. Bigby would be more than serviceable as a backup safety, especially after having a few seasons starting experience under his belt. I have no problem with him being on our roster in 2010.

That's not necessarily true. If they find someone via draft or FA that they feel is the definitive starter at SS, they could feel that Atari isn't worth the additional money he would command over a rookie (especially one who can play ST) and turn over the back-up safety position entirely - not that there's much there to turn over.

Not saying it's going to happen. Just saying that the article isn't necessarily false in it's assertion that Bigby may not be tendered. I happen to fall in the camp that hopes that happens.

[Pugger]

I'll rip Sidgeon here.

I believe regarding Packer booters, it would be called a whole "stench" of punters.

[Pugger]

As far as Giacomini goes, I apologize. Next time I'll try to time my response to work around your mental limitations and spare your precious little feelings. That was mean of me not to read everyone's resposnes before composing my own.

Don't worry, my feelings aren't injured too badly. I'm sure they'll grow back. I've been accused of worse than switching the similar last names of two 3rd string Italian football players before, believe it or not. Thank you for your concern, though.

Back to the correct term for a group of punters- a "puff"?

On my lunch break the perfect name for a group of punters occured to me: a "shank" of punters.

This one is even better!!

[SkinBasket]

That was kind of the point I was making in response to whoever it was who said Atari is the best SS we have and that we would have to wait until we got someone better before talking about replacing Bigby.

Maybe we don't want Bigby back because he sucks monkey cock...

Appears to me that you're referring to "we" as the Packers and that you state "we" don't want Bigby as if it's fact.

Bedard has proven that his sources tend to have unreliable information when it comes to projecting Ted Thompson's thoughts and future moves.

And I'm betting Bigby is strictly an herbivore when it comes to sucking things by the way.

Fine, here's the rewrite:

That was kind of the point I was making in response to whoever it was who said Atari is the best SS the Packers have and that we, the fans would have to wait until the Packers got someone better before talking about replacing Bigby.

Maybe we, the fans and/or the Packers don't want Bigby back because he sucks monkey cock...

Sorry for my ubiquitously ambiguous use of the first-person plural personal pronoun.

I don't think monkey semen violates the Rastafarian diet. Unless it's a dead monkey, which obviously would raise some other concerns.

[get louder at lambeau]

I don't think monkey semen violates the Rastafarian diet. Unless it's a dead monkey, which obviously would raise some other concerns.

Not sure about that one. There are no monkeys in Jamaica, mon.