RFA, The Poison Pill and the Revenge of Logan Mankins

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from: Football Outsiders, Under the Cap: Poison Pill by J.I. Halsell

Essentially, that if there is not a new CBA and all those fourth and fifth year players are RFAs instead of UFAs, the Restricted class will contain twice the players and possibly twice the quality of the usual Free Agent class. A look at some of the more tempting items.

Here are some of the more tempting options:

Cleveland linebacker D'Qwell Jackson
Denver defensive end Elvis Dumervil
Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall
Dallas wide receiver Miles Austin (although Jerry Jones has alluded recently to being interested in signing Austin to a long-term deal)
Green Bay safety Nick Collins
Houston tight end Owen Daniels (his market value clearly took a hit when he blew out his knee, but there’s no doubting that prior to the injury he was one of the more productive players at his position)
Houston linebacker DeMeco Ryans
Miami running back Ronnie Brown
Minnesota defensive end Ray Edwards
New England offensive lineman Logan Mankins
New Orleans offensive lineman Jammal Brown
New York Jets wide receiver Braylon Edwards
Philadelphia fullback Leonard Weaver (Weaver joined the Eagles as an unrestricted free agent and has now reverted to restricted free agency due to the uncapped year)
San Diego wide receiver Vincent Jackson
San Diego offensive lineman Marcus McNeill
San Diego linebacker Shawne Merriman
St. Louis safety O.J. Atogwe

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Given the prices below, would anyone the Packers be interested in be tendered too low?

Right of First Refusal (also known as the low tender): $1,101,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With Original-Round Compensation: $1,101,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With Second-Round Compensation: $1,684,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With First-Round Compensation: $2,396,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With First- and Third-Round Compensation: $3,043,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary

You would think that Mankins or Edwards would be attractive. But I am not sure if Jackson, Dumervil or Ryans would fit a 3-4.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I'd like to sign Ray Edwards for spite.

Seriously, why spend a load on Mankins when you could draft a guy like Maurkice Pouncy? (At least that's how I think TT thinks.)

[Lurker64]

You would think that Mankins or Edwards would be attractive. But I am not sure if Jackson, Dumervil or Ryans would fit a 3-4.

Dumervil was playing in a 3-4 in Denver last year, and he only lead the league with 17 sacks.

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You would think that Mankins or Edwards would be attractive. But I am not sure if Jackson, Dumervil or Ryans would fit a 3-4.

Dumervil was playing in a 3-4 in Denver last year, and he only lead the league with 17 sacks.

Yes, but he was playing a 3-4 of a Belicheck disciple. And while Nolan was his coordinator, Nolan has moved back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4 enough that I would be unsure of how Dumervil was used.

Has he ever dropped into coverage? Or is he essentially playing like Suggs and Ware?

[Bretsky]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

[swede]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

Stay open-minded. Just because herds of turtles usually DON'T stampede doesn't mean they CAN'T stampede.

[MJZiggy]

By the way, fantabulous thread title!

[Fritz]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

Exactly. Just like trying to talk about Ted the Draft-Pick-Lover ever, ever trying to move up to grab a player. Unheard of.

Thompson has patterns, but he's not as rigid as you make him out to be, Bretsky.

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We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

You aren't going to trap me with your trolling. This post is about Nick Collins!!!

[Patler]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

You aren't going to trap me with your trolling. This post is about Nick Collins!!!

Speaking of Collins, the highest tender should be a no-brainer, shouldn't it? His '09 salary was a little over $3 million I think, so the tender would be around $3.5.

[pbmax]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

You aren't going to trap me with your trolling. This post is about Nick Collins!!!

Speaking of Collins, the highest tender should be a no-brainer, shouldn't it? His '09 salary was a little over $3 million I think, so the tender would be around $3.5.

I would think so. Its a reasonable salary and a second round pick doesn't do him or the team justice. But the Packers have thrown that 1st and 3rd compensation around like a manhole cover. I don't even think they used it on KGB.

[Patler]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

You aren't going to trap me with your trolling. This post is about Nick Collins!!!

Speaking of Collins, the highest tender should be a no-brainer, shouldn't it? His '09 salary was a little over $3 million I think, so the tender would be around $3.5.

I would think so. Its a reasonable salary and a second round pick doesn't do him or the team justice. But the Packers have thrown that 1st and 3rd compensation around like a manhole cover. I don't even think they used it on KGB.

On the other side of it, if you are another team, would you give up a 1st and 3rd if you could sign Collins to a 5 year contract at an acceptable price?

[pbmax]

We're Green Bay

You guys really thinking about free agency [/b]

You aren't going to trap me with your trolling. This post is about Nick Collins!!!

Speaking of Collins, the highest tender should be a no-brainer, shouldn't it? His '09 salary was a little over $3 million I think, so the tender would be around $3.5.

I would think so. Its a reasonable salary and a second round pick doesn't do him or the team justice. But the Packers have thrown that 1st and 3rd compensation around like a manhole cover. I don't even think they used it on KGB.

On the other side of it, if you are another team, would you give up a 1st and 3rd if you could sign Collins to a 5 year contract at an acceptable price?

I don't think so. He's a Pro Bowler, but he's not quite an All-Pro in league). And as a safety, it is not a first priority position like CB or Left Tackle. So the market is thinner. I do think he'd get an offer if the compensation was just the second rounder.

Which lead to an interesting question; since Collins was a second round pick, could you tender him at the second lowest number and get the 2nd round pick (original round) or is the minimum tender for a 2nd round pick the explicit Second-Round Compensation?

[Joemailman]

Which lead to an interesting question; since Collins was a second round pick, could you tender him at the second lowest number and get the 2nd round pick (original round) or is the minimum tender for a 2nd round pick the explicit Second-Round Compensation?

How does the 110% of previous year's salary kick in? Would Collins get that whether they give him the Original Round tender or the 2nd round tender?
Colledge is in the same situation. I suspect the Packers would be happy to get a 2nd round pick for Colledge.
What kind of tender do they give Jolly. Original round tender would get Packers only a 6th round pick if someone signs him. Does anyone know when Jolly's trial is?

Right of First Refusal (also known as the low tender): $1,101,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With Original-Round Compensation: $1,101,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With Second-Round Compensation: $1,684,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With First-Round Compensation: $2,396,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary
Right of First Refusal With First- and Third-Round Compensation: $3,043,000 or 110% of previous year’s salary