Peyton Manning

[gbgary]

manning is a bit of a DH. always has been, always will be. sure his commercials and other tv stuff is funny but that's the credit of the writers...not manning. he always shows his true colors.

[Gunakor]

Maybe Vanderjagt should have just kept his mouth shut, ever think of that?

Maybe, but Manning was the bigger man, was he not? Wasn't he the one the team looked up to? Wasn't he the one that was supposed to be setting the example? I'm not defending what Vanderjagt said, I'm criticizing what Manning said. Understand the difference.

I know you're just defending him because you like him, but get your facts straight. Manning is not the greatest big game QB, same as Vanderjagt isn't the greatest big game kicker. And to just play the "He's a kicker, he shouldn't be allowed to talk" card is horseshit, since a quarterback - especially in today's NFL - is no more a football player than a kicker. Both positions are filled to the brim with whiny, panzy assed cowards who are both afraid to hit and afraid of getting hit. Both can win or lose games on one play. Both are soft. Both Manning and Vanderjagt were equally responsible for the Colts playoff failures. Both were equally as wrong in going in front of a camera calling each other out. Both were one of the best ever at their position. Neither is a class act. That includes Manning. THAT is what I'm trying to prove here.

All you have said repeatedly is that Manning was classy and justified simply because Vanderjagt is classless and wrong. Am I getting that right? Is it too difficult to understand that two people with little to no class can have an interaction with each other, and that both of those people could be wrong?

[Patler]

I don't know what it is about Manning, but listening to him in interviews always gives me an odd impression. While he mostly says the right things, if you listen to audio versions or watch video rather than read transcripts, there often seems to be a lack of sincerity in what he says, or an overtone of sarcasm. He comes across to me as being very well-coached in how to handle the media. Consequently, I often feel that he is hiding his true feelings about the matters being discussed.

There isn't anything specific I can point to, just the impression that I get. He comes across as falsely humble. It's the way he says things, his tone and mannerisms. I always feel it is just an act.

I very well could be wrong about him.

[Brandon494]

Maybe Vanderjagt should have just kept his mouth shut, ever think of that?

Maybe, but Manning was the bigger man, was he not? Wasn't he the one the team looked up to? Wasn't he the one that was supposed to be setting the example? I'm not defending what Vanderjagt said, I'm criticizing what Manning said. Understand the difference.

I know you're just defending him because you like him, but get your facts straight. Manning is not the greatest big game QB, same as Vanderjagt isn't the greatest big game kicker. And to just play the "He's a kicker, he shouldn't be allowed to talk" card is horseshit, since a quarterback - especially in today's NFL - is no more a football player than a kicker. Both positions are filled to the brim with whiny, panzy assed cowards who are both afraid to hit and afraid of getting hit. Both can win or lose games on one play. Both are soft. Both Manning and Vanderjagt were equally responsible for the Colts playoff failures. Both were equally as wrong in going in front of a camera calling each other out. Both were one of the best ever at their position. Neither is a class act. That includes Manning. THAT is what I'm trying to prove here.

All you have said repeatedly is that Manning was classy and justified simply because Vanderjagt is classless and wrong. Am I getting that right? Is it too difficult to understand that two people with little to no class can have an interaction with each other, and that both of those people could be wrong?

I never said I liked Manning or that he was a class act. All Im saying is your reason that you gave for Manning being classless is BS.

Now your trying to tell me that QBs are no more football players then kickers, which has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read. I'm just going to stop talking on this subject because I really don't care anymore.

[Brandon494]

I don't know what it is about Manning, but listening to him in interviews always gives me an odd impression. While he mostly says the right things, if you listen to audio versions or watch video rather than read transcripts, there often seems to be a lack of sincerity in what he says, or an overtone of sarcasm. He comes across to me as being very well-coached in how to handle the media. Consequently, I often feel that he is hiding his true feelings about the matters being discussed.

There isn't anything specific I can point to, just the impression that I get. He comes across as falsely humble. It's the way he says things, his tone and mannerisms. I always feel it is just an act.

I very well could be wrong about him.

You can say that about almost every top player in the league, especially the QBs.

[Patler]

I don't know what it is about Manning, but listening to him in interviews always gives me an odd impression. While he mostly says the right things, if you listen to audio versions or watch video rather than read transcripts, there often seems to be a lack of sincerity in what he says, or an overtone of sarcasm. He comes across to me as being very well-coached in how to handle the media. Consequently, I often feel that he is hiding his true feelings about the matters being discussed.

There isn't anything specific I can point to, just the impression that I get. He comes across as falsely humble. It's the way he says things, his tone and mannerisms. I always feel it is just an act.

I very well could be wrong about him.

You can say that about almost every top player in the league, especially the QBs.

No, I can't say that about many others. It is a feeling or impression that I get from Manning that I do not get when watching others.

This is not something that I hope to convince anyone about. Nor do I expect you to understand it. After all, it is my personal impression from watching Manning that differs from what I get watching most others. He strikes me as a phoney "team guy".

I can't think of another player from whom I get a similar impression. There are many who clearly are self-absorbed, egotistical blow-hards, but they are not phoneys. Its clear what they are.

For you fans of the "Leave It To Beaver" show, Manning around reporters strikes me as Eddie Haskell around adults. "Yes Mrs. Cleaver." "Thank you Mrs. Cleaver." "Why Mrs. Cleaver, I would love to watch little Theodore for you. He is such a wonderful little fellow."

[pbmax]

I can't think of another player from whom I get a similar impression. There are many who clearly are self-absorbed, egotistical blow-hards, but they are not phoneys. Its clear what they are.

For you fans of the "Leave It To Beaver" show, Manning around reporters strikes me as Eddie Haskell around adults. "Yes Mrs. Cleaver." "Thank you Mrs. Cleaver." "Why Mrs. Cleaver, I would love to watch little Theodore for you. He is such a wonderful little fellow."

Yes, I get the same impression. And Eddie Haskell is a very good comparison, though not even Manning is that eager to please. I have always thought that it stemmed from a sense of entitlement, or birthright. The virtue of being supremely talented and the son of an NFL QB.

Many other players, on the other hand, who act selfish, entitled or self-absorbed seem to do so out of tremendous insecurity or defensiveness. I may be projecting my impression onto his thought process, but I agree I had a similar reaction. And I confess, if I was second-generation elite athletic talent, I would be even more wary of the media than a Johnny come lately. At a young age, you see first hand how the media can affect your parent or family.

For instance, I thought this same thing when watching Barry Bonds deal with the media. He is not eager to do the right thing like Manning, but his contempt and wish to do without them is evident.

[GrnBay007]

I never said I liked Manning or that he was a class act.

Really? I would have sworn that's where this whole debate started.

Don't understand all the hate on Manning, he has been nothing but a class act his whole career. Guess some just hate because they know he will break some of Favre's records.

Once again, these people are human and no more perfect than any one of us. I'm sure they say things they regret just like we all sometimes do....difference is millions of fans hear and criticize their remarks.

[Brandon494]

I never said I liked Manning or that he was a class act.

Really? I would have sworn that's where this whole debate started.

Don't understand all the hate on Manning, he has been nothing but a class act his whole career. Guess some just hate because they know he will break some of Favre's records.

Once again, these people are human and no more perfect than any one of us. I'm sure they say things they regret just like we all sometimes do....difference is millions of fans hear and criticize their remarks.

Guessing your one of the fans who don't like him because he will break some of Favre's records. I understand he is human, but to call him classless because he responded to a big mouth kicker doesn't make him jackass like some are trying to make him to be.

[Patler]

Well, I for one could not care less if Manning breaks every one of Favre's records. In fact, I could not care less that Favre even has any records, or that any other player has an individual record. They mean absolutely nothing to me. It matters not who holds them.

Yet, I still have that feeling about Manning.........

[Gunakor]

I never said I liked Manning or that he was a class act.

Really? I would have sworn that's where this whole debate started.

Don't understand all the hate on Manning, he has been nothing but a class act his whole career. Guess some just hate because they know he will break some of Favre's records.

Once again, these people are human and no more perfect than any one of us. I'm sure they say things they regret just like we all sometimes do....difference is millions of fans hear and criticize their remarks.

Guessing your one of the fans who don't like him because he will break some of Favre's records. I understand he is human, but to call him classless because he responded to a big mouth kicker doesn't make him jackass like some are trying to make him to be.

A big mouth quarterback calling out a big mouth kicker through the media makes that quarterback as big a jackass as the kicker is.

To remain classy, keep it behind closed doors. Keep it out of the media. Don't speak your mind in front of a camera. Otherwise you are as guilty as the one you're calling out.

This isn't about who's gonna break who's records. I'm absolutely not a Favre fan, and I hope it's Aaron Rodgers that ends up breaking all of those records rather than Manning. I wish Favre never broke any of those records in the first place, or that breaking those records amounted to more playoff wins while he was here. I don't like Favre at all. Thing is, I don't like Manning at all either because he's an arrogant fuck just the same.

This is simply about derogatory statements being made about a teammate in front of a camera. Vanderjagt did it, he's an asshole. Manning did it, he's just as big an asshole. 2 wrongs don't make a right. They are both arrogant fucks where the words class and act don't belong in the same descriptive sentence. You want to see class? Check out our boy. That's class.

[Gunakor]

Now your trying to tell me that QBs are no more football players then kickers, which has to be one of the funniest things I've ever read.

LOL, what's so funny about it? How many times to you see a quarterback laying out to try and tackle a linebacker that's just intercepted said quarterback's pass? About as many times as you see a kicker making any kind of effort to tackle a kick returner that's gotten past the coverage team. Any time a quarterback gets sacked he's looking for a flag, same goes for any kicker who gets hit. They're both skirt wearin, panzy assed, pussy positions with very few exceptions.

Football is a collision sport, and any player that shies away from collisions ain't no football player. Should have been a tennis player. Or a bowler. Or ran track. Or something. In the meantime, Manning and 90% of his fellow quarterbacks will just keep campaigning for more flags to be thrown because linebackers keep trying to tackle them at the knees. And Joseph Addai and 90% of his fellow runningbacks should be laughing hysterically at them for being such pussies. I hope this clears things up.

[GrnBay007]

This isn't about who's gonna break who's records. I'm absolutely not a Favre fan, and I hope it's Aaron Rodgers that ends up breaking all of those records rather than Manning. I wish Favre never broke any of those records in the first place, or that breaking those records amounted to more playoff wins while he was here. I don't like Favre at all. Thing is, I don't like Manning at all either because he's an arrogant fuck just the same.

Hang with me Gun!! We can work on your anger/hate for BF. :P LOL

[GrnBay007]

How many times to you see a quarterback laying out to try and tackle a linebacker that's just intercepted said quarterback's pass? About as many times as you see a kicker making any kind of effort to tackle a kick returner that's gotten past the coverage team. Any time a quarterback gets sacked he's looking for a flag, same goes for any kicker who gets hit. They're both skirt wearin, panzy assed, pussy positions with very few exceptions.

BF did.

In defense of all QB's. Because they are looking for a flag doesn't necessarily mean they a "pansy". It would be dumb not to look for and try to influence the refs for a penalty. Helps your team.

[Gunakor]

This isn't about who's gonna break who's records. I'm absolutely not a Favre fan, and I hope it's Aaron Rodgers that ends up breaking all of those records rather than Manning. I wish Favre never broke any of those records in the first place, or that breaking those records amounted to more playoff wins while he was here. I don't like Favre at all. Thing is, I don't like Manning at all either because he's an arrogant fuck just the same.

Hang with me Gun!! We can work on your anger/hate for BF. :P LOL

I'm sure that anger will dissipate 5 years after BF retires for good and is standing at a podium in Canton. But you know me by now - if it isn't beneficial for Green Bay and the Packers, I'm not a fan.