RFA Tenders: Original or Extra Crispy

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Here are the tender amounts from JSO's Blog (which should be titled: Hit Or Miss: A Tribute To Muddled Football Thinking):

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But that chart doesn't explain this scenario:

You are Ted Thompson and you have given the crowbar that opens your wallet to Reggie McKenzie for safe keeping. You must decide whether to offer Daryn Colledge the "Original Round Tender" or the "2nd Round Tender". Since the crowbar is off limits, you think 2nd Round Tender is the way to go. Sure it may tick off Colledge, but he played with like his name was Whitticker most of the year.

There is a catch to this strategy though, and not just how much you want to anger your player. From Football Outsiders:

The Upgraded Tender is when a player is tendered at a level higher than the round they were originally drafted. For example, Redskins defensive tackle Kedric Golston is a former sixth-round pick and is a restricted free agent. If the Redskins were to tender Golston at the second-round level, then Golston has received an Upgraded Tender. This Upgraded Tender then affects the tendering of Redskins linebacker Rocky McIntosh, a former second-round pick who is also a restricted free agent. Without the Upgraded Tender, the Redskins could tender McIntosh at the Original Round level and receive a second round pick if he were to depart via restricted free agency. However, because of the Upgraded Tender to Golston, the Redskins must tender McIntosh at a minimum of the Second Round level if they want to get a second round pick in return, otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return. The same mechanics apply to former first-round picks. Under the same scenario, if they are not tendered at the first-round level or higher, then the team will receive a second round pick in return. That said, expect the vast majority of former first- and second-round draft picks to be tendered at a minimum level of their respective selection round.

So if you do not do the 1st or 2nd round tender for Colledge and someone else gets a bump (say Nick Collins) then Colledge, if he signs with someone else may yield only a 3rd round pick. Time to call Reggie to bring out the crowbar.

[ThunderDan]

But that chart doesn't explain this scenario:

You are Ted Thompson and you have given the crowbar that opens your wallet to Reggie McKenzie for safe keeping. You must decide whether to offer Daryn Colledge the "Original Round Tender" or the "2nd Round Tender". Since the crowbar is off limits, you think 2nd Round Tender is the way to go. Sure it may tick off Colledge, but he played with like his name was Whitticker most of the year.

There is a catch to this strategy though, and not just how much you want to anger your player. From Football Outsiders:

The Upgraded Tender is when a player is tendered at a level higher than the round they were originally drafted. For example, Redskins defensive tackle Kedric Golston is a former sixth-round pick and is a restricted free agent. If the Redskins were to tender Golston at the second-round level, then Golston has received an Upgraded Tender. This Upgraded Tender then affects the tendering of Redskins linebacker Rocky McIntosh, a former second-round pick who is also a restricted free agent. Without the Upgraded Tender, the Redskins could tender McIntosh at the Original Round level and receive a second round pick if he were to depart via restricted free agency. However, because of the Upgraded Tender to Golston, the Redskins must tender McIntosh at a minimum of the Second Round level if they want to get a second round pick in return, otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return. The same mechanics apply to former first-round picks. Under the same scenario, if they are not tendered at the first-round level or higher, then the team will receive a second round pick in return. That said, expect the vast majority of former first- and second-round draft picks to be tendered at a minimum level of their respective selection round.

So if you do not do the 1st or 2nd round tender for Colledge and someone else gets a bump (say Nick Collins) then Colledge, if he signs with someone else may yield only a 3rd round pick. Time to call Reggie to bring out the crowbar.

What's $600,000 among friends?

[red]

why would you do the right to match offer when for the same price you could get a draft pick if someone were to take your guy?

[Patler]

why would you do the right to match offer when for the same price you could get a draft pick if someone were to take your guy?

Are you questioning the last two on the chart?
The right to match covers the scenario of a nondrafted player, if you don't want to tender him any higher. There is no "original round" compensation for him, but you retain the right to match.

[pbmax]

why would you do the right to match offer when for the same price you could get a draft pick if someone were to take your guy?

For undrafted players or players who may be attractive but will not be highly compensated (special teamers).

[Smidgeon]

why would you do the right to match offer when for the same price you could get a draft pick if someone were to take your guy?

Are you questioning the last two on the chart?
The right to match covers the scenario of a nondrafted player, if you don't want to tender him any higher. There is no "original round" compensation for him, but you retain the right to match.

Right to match also covers players who were drafted, but the team doesn't want to give a 110% pay increase to.

[Patler]

why would you do the right to match offer when for the same price you could get a draft pick if someone were to take your guy?

Are you questioning the last two on the chart?
The right to match covers the scenario of a nondrafted player, if you don't want to tender him any higher. There is no "original round" compensation for him, but you retain the right to match.

Right to match also covers players who were drafted, but the team doesn't want to give a 110% pay increase to.

True, but it may not work for the team, because there is also this provision in the CBA:

(f) A Restricted Free Agent shall have the option of accepting a one year NFL Player Contract for 110% of his Prior Year Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged) in lieu of a Player Contract for the applicable alternative amount specified in this paragraph, if he so wishes, regardless of which Player Contract is for a greater amount.

This paragraph seems to apply to all tenders, including the "right to match" tender, so it appears that if the team gives the "right to match" tender to a player they do no want to pay a 110% increase to the player has the option for the 110% increase anyway.

[CaliforniaCheez]

The Packers Restricted Free Agents are cheaper and usually better than real free agents.

Ted has the right of first refusal so he can match any offer another team makes.

Ted will pay no player ahead of his time, unless it is cheaper to do so.
(Aaron Rodgers)

[Patler]

The Packers Restricted Free Agents are cheaper and usually better than real free agents.

Ted has the right of first refusal so he can match any offer another team makes.

Ted will pay no player ahead of his time, unless it is cheaper to do so.
(Aaron Rodgers)

He surprised me when he re-upped Jennings early. I didn't see that one coming quite that soon, perhaps into the season a bit.

[Joemailman]

Brandon Chillar was an even bigger surprise. It pretty much assures that Hawk's last season as a Packer will be 2010.

[Patler]

Brandon Chillar was an even bigger surprise. It pretty much assures that Hawk's last season as a Packer will be 2010.

I wasn't surprised that they signed him, but I was surprised by the size of his contract.

[Guiness]

But that chart doesn't explain this scenario:

You are Ted Thompson and you have given the crowbar that opens your wallet to Reggie McKenzie for safe keeping. You must decide whether to offer Daryn Colledge the "Original Round Tender" or the "2nd Round Tender". Since the crowbar is off limits, you think 2nd Round Tender is the way to go. Sure it may tick off Colledge, but he played with like his name was Whitticker most of the year.

There is a catch to this strategy though, and not just how much you want to anger your player. From Football Outsiders:

The Upgraded Tender is when a player is tendered at a level higher than the round they were originally drafted. For example, Redskins defensive tackle Kedric Golston is a former sixth-round pick and is a restricted free agent. If the Redskins were to tender Golston at the second-round level, then Golston has received an Upgraded Tender. This Upgraded Tender then affects the tendering of Redskins linebacker Rocky McIntosh, a former second-round pick who is also a restricted free agent. Without the Upgraded Tender, the Redskins could tender McIntosh at the Original Round level and receive a second round pick if he were to depart via restricted free agency. However, because of the Upgraded Tender to Golston, the Redskins must tender McIntosh at a minimum of the Second Round level if they want to get a second round pick in return, otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return. The same mechanics apply to former first-round picks. Under the same scenario, if they are not tendered at the first-round level or higher, then the team will receive a second round pick in return. That said, expect the vast majority of former first- and second-round draft picks to be tendered at a minimum level of their respective selection round.

So if you do not do the 1st or 2nd round tender for Colledge and someone else gets a bump (say Nick Collins) then Colledge, if he signs with someone else may yield only a 3rd round pick. Time to call Reggie to bring out the crowbar.

I think I'm missing something pretty crucial here, both in the quote and your comment. This sentence:

otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return

he was a 2nd rounder, they tender him at original round, and they would get a 3rd rounder if someone takes him? Huh?

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I think I'm missing something pretty crucial here, both in the quote and your comment. This sentence:

otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return

he was a 2nd rounder, they tender him at original round, and they would get a 3rd rounder if someone takes him? Huh?

Its a very convoluted way to both allow teams to keep valuable low round (or no round) picks and to help high picks receive higher compensation.

Say the Packers tender Collins as a 1st Round Pick; this would be considered an Upgraded Tender as Collins was a 2nd round pick. Now for Colledge, normally, they could use the Original Round tender of $1,176,000 and receive a 2nd round pick in return. That is a great deal for the team as applying the 2nd Round Tender would cost $1,759,000. Savings of almost $600,000.

But because the Packers used an Upgraded tender (Collins), there are special rules that apply to the application of an Original Round Tender for former first and second round picks. And those rules dictate that in the above scenario, the Packers, should they lose Colledge, would only receive a third round pick in return.

To keep Colledge's compensation at a 2nd Round Pick AND allow them to tender Collins as a 1st Rounder, the Packers would need to apply the more lucrative 2nd Round Tender of $1,759,000.

[ThunderDan]

I think I'm missing something pretty crucial here, both in the quote and your comment. This sentence:

otherwise, if the Redskins tender McIntosh at the Original Round level, then they would only receive a third-round pick in return

he was a 2nd rounder, they tender him at original round, and they would get a 3rd rounder if someone takes him? Huh?

Its a very convoluted way to both allow teams to keep valuable low round (or no round) picks and to help high picks receive higher compensation.

Say the Packers tender Collins as a 1st Round Pick; this would be considered an Upgraded Tender as Collins was a 2nd round pick. Now for Colledge, normally, they could use the Original Round tender of $1,176,000 and receive a 2nd round pick in return. That is a great deal for the team as applying the 2nd Round Tender would cost $1,759,000. Savings of almost $600,000.

But because the Packers used an Upgraded tender (Collins), there are special rules that apply to the application of an Original Round Tender for former first and second round picks. And those rules dictate that in the above scenario, the Packers, should they lose Colledge, would only receive a third round pick in return.

To keep Colledge's compensation at a 2nd Round Pick AND allow them to tender Collins as a 1st Rounder, the Packers would need to apply the more lucrative 2nd Round Tender of $1,759,000.

Exactly, that is why I stated, What is $600,000 among friends?