Antonio Cromartie?

[packers11]

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Chargers are "exploring possible trade scenarios" that involve trading CB Antonio Cromartie for a running back.

Cromartie has fallen out of favor with the Bolts. GM A.J. Smith will have a hard time getting full value for him after his half-hearted attempt at tackling in the playoff loss to the Jets. There were persistent rumors of a Cromartie-for-Tashard Choice deal a week ago, but the Cowboys aren't interested. Mort mentions the Packers as a team looking for corner help, though they'd have to deal a draft pick instead of a player. Feb. 17 - 12:11 am et

My take... He sucks at tackling but he was a stud a couple years ago (in coverage). Hes only 25, and with Woodson still on the team maybe he could learn a few things from the DMVP...

I wouldn't give up much for him though... Thoughts?

[Smidgeon]

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Chargers are "exploring possible trade scenarios" that involve trading CB Antonio Cromartie for a running back.

Cromartie has fallen out of favor with the Bolts. GM A.J. Smith will have a hard time getting full value for him after his half-hearted attempt at tackling in the playoff loss to the Jets. There were persistent rumors of a Cromartie-for-Tashard Choice deal a week ago, but the Cowboys aren't interested. Mort mentions the Packers as a team looking for corner help, though they'd have to deal a draft pick instead of a player. Feb. 17 - 12:11 am et

My take... He sucks at tackling but he was a stud a couple years ago (in coverage). Hes only 25, and with Woodson still on the team maybe he could learn a few things from the DMVP...

I wouldn't give up much for him though... Thoughts?

Thoughts are that GB doesn't have what SD is looking for in terms of bait.

[Noodle]

Tough one. As far as I can tell, the Pack doesn't have any extra picks this year. We have one pick in each of the seven rounds, though of course that could change.

I'd say he's certainly worth the Pack's 2nd round pick (No. 56 overall), though I suspect most here would say don't give up anything above the third round (No. 86).

But think of it -- a proven starting CB just hitting his prime with the 56th pick. Entering the 2009 season, one observer had Cromartie listed as the 15th best CB in the league: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-back-rankings, and Sporting News had hims as 7th: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/arti...getting-better. I suspect he's only going to get better with maturity.

For context, look at who TT has drafted in that range:

2009 -- no 2nd round pick (we got BJ and Clay in the first round, then didn't pick again until the 4th (TJ Lang with the 109th)).
2008 -- 3 2nd round picks, Jordy Nelson (36th), Brian Brohm (56), and Pat Lee (60).
2007 -- Brandon Jackson (63rd)
2006 -- 2 2nd round picks, Daryn Colledge (47th) and Greg Jennings (52nd)
2005 -- 2 2nd round picks, Nick Collins (51st) and Terrence Murphy (58th)

So yes, TT has hit some gold in the 2nd -- Jennings and Collins are the obvious examples -- but I still think a top CB is worth the No. 2.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Chargers are "exploring possible trade scenarios" that involve trading CB Antonio Cromartie for a running back.

Cromartie has fallen out of favor with the Bolts. GM A.J. Smith will have a hard time getting full value for him after his half-hearted attempt at tackling in the playoff loss to the Jets. There were persistent rumors of a Cromartie-for-Tashard Choice deal a week ago, but the Cowboys aren't interested. Mort mentions the Packers as a team looking for corner help, though they'd have to deal a draft pick instead of a player. Feb. 17 - 12:11 am et

My take... He sucks at tackling but he was a stud a couple years ago (in coverage). Hes only 25, and with Woodson still on the team maybe he could learn a few things from the DMVP...

I wouldn't give up much for him though... Thoughts?

Thoughts are that GB doesn't have what SD is looking for in terms of bait.

exactly, they want a stud game changing running back for him

we're also looking for one of those

[Smidgeon]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

Follow-up question: Assuming Harris recovers from his ACL as rapidly as expected, will he really just be the full time nickel back anyway? Isn't that the way his contract is structured, so he gets paid less and less as he gets older so it matches what are expected contributions?

I imagine Harris has 2-3 more years as a nickel back (maybe longer if he can really stay in peak shape), Woodson probably has 2-3 as a CB and maybe another 2 as a safety (yes, those are all optimistic projections). Tramon Williams, I think, is starting calibur, but #2 starting calibur. If Cromartie came over (highly doubtful), I would imagine he'd supplant Tramon Williams until Harris or Woodson made a more permanent move (either to retirement or to another position). Either that or Capers introduces a one-safety-three-cornerback base scheme and a one-safety-four-cornerback nickel scheme...

[Smidgeon]

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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports the Chargers are "exploring possible trade scenarios" that involve trading CB Antonio Cromartie for a running back.

Cromartie has fallen out of favor with the Bolts. GM A.J. Smith will have a hard time getting full value for him after his half-hearted attempt at tackling in the playoff loss to the Jets. There were persistent rumors of a Cromartie-for-Tashard Choice deal a week ago, but the Cowboys aren't interested. Mort mentions the Packers as a team looking for corner help, though they'd have to deal a draft pick instead of a player. Feb. 17 - 12:11 am et

My take... He sucks at tackling but he was a stud a couple years ago (in coverage). Hes only 25, and with Woodson still on the team maybe he could learn a few things from the DMVP...

I wouldn't give up much for him though... Thoughts?

Thoughts are that GB doesn't have what SD is looking for in terms of bait.

exactly, they want a stud game changing running back for him

we're also looking for one of those

Agreed. I read an article earlier today that suggested trading Grant for Cromartie. The question the writer asked was, "Would you trade them?" I think what the writer didn't quite grasp is that SD likely wants a lot more than Grant. GB couldn't trade the two straight up. Grant isn't as "sexy" of a RB as required to pull off a trade like that.

[RashanGary]

We play zone coverage. Many great zone corners have come in later rounds in the draft. 5'10" is about ideal for a zone corner. Compact guys that are instinctive and can tackle. They don't even have to be burners. 5'10", 4.5. Physically, they're dime a dozen, but finding a smart one, that wants to study and has a feel for the game, that's where it's at.

Cromartie fit's what we used to do really well. I suppose we'd get good use out of him still, but we don't need to spend mega resources to bring in an ideal man corner when now we can focus on getting the easier to find, instinctive zone corners.

[Noodle]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

If Harris isn't quite right, he'd start in Al's place.

If Harris is 100%, I'd play Cromartie at the other corner and move Woodson to safety, where he'd team up with Collin. That's a pretty dang good d-backfield.

[cheesner]

Great video of him I saw somewhere where he is blitzing and its a handoff up the middle. He is in good position for a TFL. Instead he slows down to a jog and watches the RB run by.

No thanks. I want guys who love football and want to help the team in any way they can. This is a high bust potential here, I feel.

[Smidgeon]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

If Harris isn't quite right, he'd start in Al's place.

If Harris is 100%, I'd play Cromartie at the other corner and move Woodson to safety, where he'd team up with Collin. That's a pretty dang good d-backfield.

Not until Woodson loses his ability to run. Otherwise why move the best player on D from his best position on D?

[mission]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

If Harris isn't quite right, he'd start in Al's place.

If Harris is 100%, I'd play Cromartie at the other corner and move Woodson to safety, where he'd team up with Collin. That's a pretty dang good d-backfield.

Not until Woodson loses his ability to run. Otherwise why move the best player on D from his best position on D?

It's all semantics really. How else would your one-safety-four-corner defense work?

You got deep half, you got deep half, you guys man up underneath... ;p

Call them what you will be they will still (hopefully) be lining up all over the place.

Either way, I like the idea. We'd probably see him come into town and turn into a changed man like Woodson before him. Cromartie could use some time around Chuck and Al...

Seems like it'd create quite a logjam in the secondary with at least one person not happy about their role... that is, unless, Capers/MM can show them how we'll be utilizing everyone in a hybrid defense.

It won't happen, though.

[Smidgeon]

Say we get him, who goes where in the d backfield?

If Harris isn't quite right, he'd start in Al's place.

If Harris is 100%, I'd play Cromartie at the other corner and move Woodson to safety, where he'd team up with Collin. That's a pretty dang good d-backfield.

Not until Woodson loses his ability to run. Otherwise why move the best player on D from his best position on D?

It's all semantics really. How else would your one-safety-four-corner defense work?

You got deep half, you got deep half, you guys man up underneath... ;p

Call them what you will be they will still (hopefully) be lining up all over the place.

Either way, I like the idea. We'd probably see him come into town and turn into a changed man like Woodson before him. Cromartie could use some time around Chuck and Al...

Seems like it'd create quite a logjam in the secondary with at least one person not happy about their role... that is, unless, Capers/MM can show them how we'll be utilizing everyone in a hybrid defense.

It won't happen, though.

That part is Capers' to figure out. I just suggested he'd do it. He's the defensive mastermind, not me.

[hoosier]

Tough one. As far as I can tell, the Pack doesn't have any extra picks this year. We have one pick in each of the seven rounds, though of course that could change.

I'd say he's certainly worth the Pack's 2nd round pick (No. 56 overall), though I suspect most here would say don't give up anything above the third round (No. 86).

But think of it -- a proven starting CB just hitting his prime with the 56th pick. Entering the 2009 season, one observer had Cromartie listed as the 15th best CB in the league: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...-back-rankings, and Sporting News had hims as 7th: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/arti...getting-better. I suspect he's only going to get better with maturity.
For context, look at who TT has drafted in that range:

2009 -- no 2nd round pick (we got BJ and Clay in the first round, then didn't pick again until the 4th (TJ Lang with the 109th)).
2008 -- 3 2nd round picks, Jordy Nelson (36th), Brian Brohm (56), and Pat Lee (60).
2007 -- Brandon Jackson (63rd)
2006 -- 2 2nd round picks, Daryn Colledge (47th) and Greg Jennings (52nd)
2005 -- 2 2nd round picks, Nick Collins (51st) and Terrence Murphy (58th)

So yes, TT has hit some gold in the 2nd -- Jennings and Collins are the obvious examples -- but I still think a top CB is worth the No. 2.

My impression is that Cromartie is still living off the rep he made for himself back in 2007. At least from what I have read, for the last two years his performance hasn't lived up to that level, and as we saw quite clearly on the Shonn Greene TD run in the playoffs he is not exactly the toughest defender on the field. I suspect he wants to be paid like a top flight cornerback, but his performance doesn't live up to that. No thanks. I don't think I would even want TT to pursue him if the Chargers cut him.

[get louder at lambeau]

Great video of him I saw somewhere where he is blitzing and its a handoff up the middle. He is in good position for a TFL. Instead he slows down to a jog and watches the RB run by.

Any chance you could dig that one up?