2010 NFL draft combine thread

[packrulz]

I'm interested in the QB's, I don't want to go through every season with only 2, and this year there are a few good ones that will be mid-round picks, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, LeFevour, & etc. There is good depth in the mid-rounds at RB too, Gerhart, McCluster, Dwyer, Brown, & etc.

[swede]

I'm interested in the QB's, I don't want to go through every season with only 2, and this year there are a few good ones that will be mid-round picks, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, LeFevour, & etc. There is good depth in the mid-rounds at RB too, Gerhart, McCluster, Dwyer, Brown, & etc.

I wondered about that as well. Tebow especially is interesting because his notoriety might cause a distraction and an unnecessary controversy. On the other hand, if MM could teach him the position it would be a good way to flip a 3rd for a first.

One of the really cool aspects of having Wolf and Holmgren working together was the way they turned mid round quarterbacks into first and 2nd round picks after a few years of coaching up. Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, and that left-handed warrior whose name I can NEVER remember all paid dividends and provided a decent back up at the position without creating controversy. I'd love to see that process start up behind ARod the way it did behind Favre.

[bigcoz75]

I'm interested in the QB's, I don't want to go through every season with only 2, and this year there are a few good ones that will be mid-round picks, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, LeFevour, & etc. There is good depth in the mid-rounds at RB too, Gerhart, McCluster, Dwyer, Brown, & etc.

I wondered about that as well. Tebow especially is interesting because his notoriety might cause a distraction and an unnecessary controversy. On the other hand, if MM could teach him the position it would be a good way to flip a 3rd for a first.

One of the really cool aspects of having Wolf and Holmgren working together was the way they turned mid round quarterbacks into first and 2nd round picks after a few years of coaching up. Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, and that left-handed warrior whose name I can NEVER remember all paid dividends and provided a decent back up at the position without creating controversy. I'd love to see that process start up behind ARod the way it did behind Favre.

+1
I've been saying this same thing since the off season began and laughed at by my less Packers dedicated friends. Who better to turn a competitor like Tebow into a real NFL QB than M3 and Clements?

[Patler]

One of the really cool aspects of having Wolf and Holmgren working together was the way they turned mid round quarterbacks into first and 2nd round picks after a few years of coaching up. Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, and that left-handed warrior whose name I can NEVER remember all paid dividends and provided a decent back up at the position without creating controversy. I'd love to see that process start up behind ARod the way it did behind Favre.

Brunnell (a #118 pick) was traded for a 3rd (#66) and a 5th (#170). I thought he was let goo too cheaply.
Brooks (#131) and Lamont Hall were traded for KD Williams and a 3rd (#82). A reasonable trade for both teams.
Hasslebeck (a #187) and the Packers 1st (#17) were traded for a 1st (#10) and a 3rd (#72). Looked good at the time, but wasted when picks were used on Jamal Reynolds and Torrence Marshall.

On the other hand, Wolf got nothing for his efforts with Ty Detmer (lost in free agency), Jay Barker, Kyle Wachholtz, and Ronnie McAda.

I don't have a problem with Wolf's concept, but I'm not sure his QB draft, develop and trade program netted all that much gain for the Packers.

[red]

who the hell is jim taylor?

[swede]

Hasslebeck (a #187) and the Packers 1st (#17) were traded for a 1st (#10) and a 3rd (#72). Looked good at the time, but wasted when picks were used on Jamal Reynolds and Torrence Marshall.

Patlerized!

So Patler, was this the product of a few clicks of research, do you have these numbers in your head, or have you been debunking the myth of the "Wolf/Holmgren back-up QB's traded for awesome draft picks" for years now?

And I had no idea that Hasselbeck's picks had been squandered so badly. Ouch!

[hoosier]

Hasslebeck (a #187) and the Packers 1st (#17) were traded for a 1st (#10) and a 3rd (#72). Looked good at the time, but wasted when picks were used on Jamal Reynolds and Torrence Marshall.

And the Seahawks turned that #17 into Steve Hutchinson! Hasselbeck and Hutchinson for Reynolds and Marshall...that may not be quite as lopsided as Favre for a #1 but it's pretty close. It definitely more than evened things up after the lopsided Vinson for Ahman Green trade.

[pbmax]

who the hell is jim taylor?

He had a show on ABC called Home Improvement.

[Brandon494]

Spiller runs 4.28 round one; dude is blazing

McCluster weighs 170 but put up 225lbs twenty times; he slipped on his first run and only put up a 4.55%. Love to see him in Green n Gold with our round three pick

I would love to get him with our 3rd round pick but I don't see him making it out of the 2nd round. That guy has Deshawn Jackson play-making ability.

The scout guy at move the sticks said no one he talked to with a watch had him below 4.57 on his second, "clean" run. Presumably the one without the slip.

The official numbers will be out tomorrow on nfl.com though, I think. I can't figure out which way is up at this point.

Yea after posting that 40 time I now think he can fall out of the 2nd round and maybe not even until the 4th.

[Fritz]

Spiller runs 4.28 round one; dude is blazing

McCluster weighs 170 but put up 225lbs twenty times; he slipped on his first run and only put up a 4.55%. Love to see him in Green n Gold with our round three pick

I would love to get him with our 3rd round pick but I don't see him making it out of the 2nd round. That guy has Deshawn Jackson play-making ability.

The scout guy at move the sticks said no one he talked to with a watch had him below 4.57 on his second, "clean" run. Presumably the one without the slip.

The official numbers will be out tomorrow on nfl.com though, I think. I can't figure out which way is up at this point.

Yea after posting that 40 time I now think he can fall out of the 2nd round and maybe not even until the 4th.

If the guy would fall down next time he'd run a 4.3!

[packrulz]

I'm interested in the QB's, I don't want to go through every season with only 2, and this year there are a few good ones that will be mid-round picks, Tebow, McCoy, Pike, LeFevour, & etc. There is good depth in the mid-rounds at RB too, Gerhart, McCluster, Dwyer, Brown, & etc.

I wondered about that as well. Tebow especially is interesting because his notoriety might cause a distraction and an unnecessary controversy. On the other hand, if MM could teach him the position it would be a good way to flip a 3rd for a first.

One of the really cool aspects of having Wolf and Holmgren working together was the way they turned mid round quarterbacks into first and 2nd round picks after a few years of coaching up. Aaron Brooks, Matt Hasselbeck, and that left-handed warrior whose name I can NEVER remember all paid dividends and provided a decent back up at the position without creating controversy. I'd love to see that process start up behind ARod the way it did behind Favre.

+1
I've been saying this same thing since the off season began and laughed at by my less Packers dedicated friends. Who better to turn a competitor like Tebow into a real NFL QB than M3 and Clements?

TT says he likes to draft football players, not workout wonders, Tebow is that. He could be the 3rd QB, help out on special teams, and run a Packers scheme of the wildcat. I like Pike and McCoy too, I could see drafting a QB in the 3rd round.

[packrulz]

Monday, March 1, 2010
Notable workout results for defensive ends, linebackers
Defensive ends and linebackers worked out today at the NFL scouting combine in Indianapolis, meaning many of the pass rushers the Packers might consider with the No. 23 overall pick were on the field.

Here are some notable results:

* As we noted earlier, Michigan's Brandon Graham tweaked a hamstring while running the 40-yard dash and dropped out. That injury happened on his second run; he finished his first in 4.72 seconds, which tied for eighth among the players listed as defensive ends. Graham posted 31 reps on the bench press, which would have been good enough to tie for third among linebackers.

* Southern Cal's Everson Griffin -- whom the Packers' Clay Matthews replaced as a starter early in the 2008 season -- ran the 40 in 4.66 seconds, only two-hundredths off Dexter Davis of Arizona State's pace (4.64) for defensive ends. Griffin put up 32 bench reps and had a 36 1/2-inch vertical.

* TCU's Jerry Hughes ran the 40 in 4.69 seconds. Clemson's Ricky Sapp finished in 4.70.

* Mississippi State's Jamar Chaney (4.54) and Florida State's Dekoda Watson (4.56) posted the top 40 times among players who are working out in the linebackers group.

* Alabama inside linebacker Rolando McClain withdrew with an injury.

Also, defensive backs did the bench press today. Boise State's Kyle Wilson led the small group of cornerbacks with 25 -- two more than one of the potential No. 1 draft picks, Oklahoma DT Gerald McCoy managed on Sunday -- while Oklahoma State's Lucien Antoine (28) led the safeties. Other notable safeties: USC's Taylor Mays (24), Florida State's Myron Rolle (21), Texas' Earl Thomas (21), Tennessee's Eric Berry (19).

The combine wraps on Tuesday, when defensive backs run the 40 and do drill work. NFL.com is tracking all the top performers here.

-- Tom Pelissero, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com

http://twitter.com/tompelissero

Sunday, February 28, 2010
Workout results: Ford, Best, Spiller break 4.4 mark
INDIANAPOLIS -- For the second straight day, at least one fast stopwatch had a player breaking the unofficial combine record in the 40-yard dash.

For the second straight day, the official result wasn't quite that good.

Clemson's Jacoby Ford was timed at 4.28 seconds -- still by far the best among receivers, who otherwise failed to break the 4.4 mark altogether, but not the 4.18 speculated earlier.

Other top finishers were Ohio's Taylor Price (4.41), Southern Methodist's Emmanuel Sanders (4.41), Notre Dame's Golden Tate (4.42), Kansas State's Brandon Banks (4.43) and Arizona State's Kyle Williams (4.43).

For Tate, it was a solid showing. He said on Friday he hoped simply to break 4.5.

Top receiver Dez Bryant, among others, didn't run because of injuries.

As expected, West Virginia's Jarrett Brown (4.54) turned in the best time among quarterbacks. Other top finishers were Central Michigan's Dan LeFevour (4.66), Oklahoma State's Zac Robinson (4.71), Florida's Tim Tebow (4.72) and Texas' Colt McCoy (4.79).

This arguably is the biggest day for drills at the combine, with running backs also participating. Their 40s aren't done yet.

UPDATE, 3:12 p.m.: Some notable workout figures ...

* Louisville WR Scott Long tied for the lead on the bench press (20 reps), had the best vertical (41 1/2 inches) and ran the 40 in 4.46, which is highly respectable for a big receiver (6-foot-2, 214 pounds). Arrelious Benn and Donald Jones also did 20 bench reps.

* Score one for the little guy -- Ole Miss RB Dexter McCluster (5-9, 172) put up 20 bench reps of 225 pounds, good for seventh among RBs. Fresno State's Lonyae Miller and Auburn's Ben Tate did 26. Tate's 40 1/2-inch vertical ranked behind only Montario Hardesty's 41.

* Tebow's jumping ability also impressed -- his vertical was 38 1/2 inches (by far the best among QBs) and his broad jump was 9 feet, 7 inches.

UPDATE, 3:53 p.m.: And now the running back results in the 40 are in.

Cal's Jahvid Best (4.35) and Clemson's C.J. Spiller (4.37) topped the list, while McCluster -- yikes -- recorded a 4.58. Other top times were by: Tate (4.43), Ryan Matthews (4.45), Joe McKnight (4.47), Hardesty (4.49) and James Stark (4.50).

According to NFL.com, Oklahoma RB Chris Bown pulled up lame and didn't return because of a hamstring injury.

-- Tom Pelissero, tpelisse@greenbaypressgazette.com

http://twitter.com/tompelissero

I'm wondering if TT should draft DE Graham if he's still there and hope that LT Veldheer is still there in the 2nd round. I like the RB Tate from Auburn, he can catch passes and might still be there in the 3rd round.
"Now that Auburn is back in a more pro-style offense, Tate has taken off in 2009. Through 11 games of his senior campaign, Tate had 225 carries for 1209 yards and eight touchdowns. Remaining a solid pass-catcher, he also had 16 receptions for 88 yards. While the numbers make a case for themselves in terms of Tate being one of the best--or THE best--running back in the SEC, Tate felt compelled to go out and say that he was better than Alabama RB and Heisman hopeful Mark Ingram.

While Tate's status among SEC running backs is up for debate, there is no question about his talent and physical tools. He stands at just 5'11'', but he weighs in at 218 pounds. A downhill runner, Tate is a load to bring down (especially when he gets a full head of steam behind him). He has been clocked as low as 4.40 in the 40-yard dash, but his average time is right around 4.50. It's no real surprise that Tate floundered in the spread offense. He rarely beats defenses going outside; he much prefers going straight up the gut and running over people, rather than around people. While durability and experience are major pluses, consistency appears to be an issue. Tate racks up his stats in bunches, but too often is a non-factor throughout entire games. For now, it looks like Tate will go off the board during the fourth round of the 2010 NFL Draft."

NFL Combine Results
40-Yard Dash 4.43
Bench press 26
Vertical jump 40.5
Broad jump 10'04
Three-cone drill 6.91


Last Updated Nov-17-2009 by Ricky Dimon

[bigcoz75]

Ouch Joe Haden with a 4.60 unofficial 40. Shades of Malcom Jenkins last year. He was expected to run sub 4.4.

[Lurker64]

Ouch Joe Haden with a 4.60 unofficial 40. Shades of Malcom Jenkins last year. He was expected to run sub 4.4.

4.57 and 4.60 unofficial. Certainly not something for a guy who had a chance to be a top 5 or top 10 pick to be proud of.

[Patler]

Hasslebeck (a #187) and the Packers 1st (#17) were traded for a 1st (#10) and a 3rd (#72). Looked good at the time, but wasted when picks were used on Jamal Reynolds and Torrence Marshall.

So Patler, was this the product of a few clicks of research, do you have these numbers in your head, or have you been debunking the myth of the "Wolf/Holmgren back-up QB's traded for awesome draft picks" for years now?

And I had no idea that Hasselbeck's picks had been squandered so badly. Ouch!

I remembered "Hasselbeck and the #17 pick for the #10 pick and a 3rd round pick". I also remembered who the Packers took with those picks. This comes up every now and then. I did not remember and had to look up what pick #s Hasslebeck and Marshall were.

I didn't mind the trade. The fact that the Packers wasted the picks on non-performers doesn't really change my opinion on the trade.

There are a lot of myths about Wolf. The idea that he drafted a bunch of QBs and traded them for top picks is one of them. Hasslebeck is the only one who brought much increased value in the trade. But I still like the idea of drafting QBs with mid and late round picks if there is no one else available that you really like. If you can use them as a back up for a few years, then get a pick back in return, its better than the typical 3rd or 4th year player who is simply released with nothing back in return. QBs have some trade value at least.