Nick Collins Situation

[gbgary]

good job Giants for making Nick Collins 10x harder to pay now...

well...that's what happens when you decide to play games.

[Lurker64]

Honestly, the Packers are in a decent position in terms of getting Collins paid. Working on the assumption that a salary cap will return eventually, they're free to massively front-load the contract (as much as they feel comfortable spending this year), and then have him count comparatively little towards the cap.

Since Collins is in a position of having relatively little freedom in all of this (he's an RFA this year, and he can be franchised relatively cheaply next year), he might as well go along with whatever reasonably generous offer the team sees fit to extend to him.

[pbmax]

Honestly, the Packers are in a decent position in terms of getting Collins paid. Working on the assumption that a salary cap will return eventually, they're free to massively front-load the contract (as much as they feel comfortable spending this year), and then have him count comparatively little towards the cap.

Since Collins is in a position of having relatively little freedom in all of this (he's an RFA this year, and he can be franchised relatively cheaply next year), he might as well go along with whatever reasonably generous offer the team sees fit to extend to him.

True. He is possibly two years away from at least having the leverage of being overly expensive (franchise tag). One year is a risk, two at under $4 million per for each is a big risk.

[RashanGary]

Did anyone read where Collins' agent said they aren't using Rolle's contract as a major sticking point because Rolle negotiated that with no restrictions and Collins has a 1st and 3rd restriction.

The guy sounds like he understands the Packers don't have to and won't pay that price. Sounds like he's realistic with his negotiations.

That was the first thing from the Collins camp that makes me think this thing is going to go well. I have a feeling we'll see Collins locked up before TC starts to a deal less than Rolle's.

[pbmax]

Did anyone read where Collins' agent said they aren't using Rolle's contract as a major sticking point because Rolle negotiated that with no restrictions and Collins has a 1st and 3rd restriction.

The guy sounds like he understands the Packers don't have to and won't pay that price. Sounds like he's realistic with his negotiations....

Yes, and he probably meant it a little. But it still helps Herman/Collins more than the Packers to do a deal early, esp. if he is an RFA next year as well.

Herman was quite aggressive with Grant's situation and it paid off. He would tell us all we look like we just lost 15 pounds if he thought that would get him a deal earlier.

[RashanGary]

He won't be a RFA next year as far as I can tell. He will have 6 accrued years. He'll get a franchise tag tough.

With all respect to Thompson and the Packers, Collins doesn't have a contract right now. The only right he has now is to not sign that thing. It's not a ton of leverage, but Nick is one of our best players on defense and it certainly hurts the Packers to not have him there during camp.

The Packers have more leverage, but Collins has some. I think it's gotten to the point where it makes sense for both sides to start ironing out a deal. Collins has done everything right. There is no reason to make him wait longer. If the price turns out to be unrealistic, sure, but I don't see any reason the Packers have to be hard asses to Collins here. He's done nothing but do everything right.

[pbmax]

Yep, blew that one. He will have six years next year.

[Fritz]

Did anyone read where Collins' agent said they aren't using Rolle's contract as a major sticking point because Rolle negotiated that with no restrictions and Collins has a 1st and 3rd restriction.

The guy sounds like he understands the Packers don't have to and won't pay that price. Sounds like he's realistic with his negotiations....

Yes, and he probably meant it a little. But it still helps Herman/Collins more than the Packers to do a deal early, esp. if he is an RFA next year as well.

Herman was quite aggressive with Grant's situation and it paid off. He would tell us all we look like we just lost 15 pounds if he thought that would get him a deal earlier.

That sh_t wouldn't fly with me. If I lost 15 pounds I'd look like I just came out of a Nazi prison camp.

[steve823]

Why can't we just try to sign him this year and try to front-load the contract to help us out a lot in the future? Isn't that the advantage of this uncapped year? I mean I know negotiations weren't going well until recently ,but I just thought that getting it done this year would be to our advantage.

[gbgary]

He won't be a RFA next year as far as I can tell. He will have 6 accrued years. He'll get a franchise tag tough.

With all respect to Thompson and the Packers, Collins doesn't have a contract right now. The only right he has now is to not sign that thing. It's not a ton of leverage, but Nick is one of our best players on defense and it certainly hurts the Packers to not have him there during camp.

The Packers have more leverage, but Collins has some. I think it's gotten to the point where it makes sense for both sides to start ironing out a deal. Collins has done everything right. There is no reason to make him wait longer. If the price turns out to be unrealistic, sure, but I don't see any reason the Packers have to be hard asses to Collins here. He's done nothing but do everything right.

yup...do it NOW or it may cost rolle money, or more, next year.

[packers11]

Why can't we just try to sign him this year and try to front-load the contract to help us out a lot in the future? Isn't that the advantage of this uncapped year? I mean I know negotiations weren't going well until recently ,but I just thought that getting it done this year would be to our advantage.

I was thinking the same thing... Give him a 6 year 40 mill deal with atleast 10-15 million coming from the first year. Mine as well take advantage of the no cap. Am I missing something?

[pbmax]

Well, either Herman is just fantastic at generating good pub or Collins thinks they are going to get a deal done. Might be trying to ride the Antrel Rolle wave into a deal before someone else signs to change the numbers.

Collins signs his tender.

Has anyone seen numbers for Ryan Clark?

[hoosier]

According to AP it is 4 years, $14M total. No word on the structuring.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Ryan Clark isn't anywhere near Collins, and I doubt his deal will have any impact on Collins. That would be like Brandon Chillar's deal affecting Julius Peppers.

[RashanGary]

Well, either Herman is just fantastic at generating good pub or Collins thinks they are going to get a deal done. Might be trying to ride the Antrel Rolle wave into a deal before someone else signs to change the numbers.

Collins signs his tender.

Has anyone seen numbers for Ryan Clark?

Honestly, this is not a surprise. The Packers locked up Rodgers a year before UFA. They locked up Barnett a year before UFA. Donald Lee, Ryan Grant, Donald Driver, Al Harris, Brady Poppinga, Brandon Chillar, Cullen Jenkins all before UFA.


Collins' agent came out already and said he wasn't using Rolles deal because that was unrestricted and Collins is restricted. If JS wasn't such a crock of crap news paper, anyone with a brain would have known Collins and his agent are not asking for unrealistic numbers.

Now this comes out, and despite a lot of information pointing toward this thing having a happy ending, there is this strange perception (mainly created by JS and their idioticly transparent pot stirring, paper selling garbage). Anyone with half a brain would ignore any sentiment given by JS. Just listen to the press conferences yourself. Use your own sense. Don't rely on a journalist who has more motivation to sell papers than to create an honest impression. They don't lie directly, but what's the harm in making an impressin that's a little juicier or to keep a source. I guess nothing if everyone and their brother knew what a crock it was. The problem is, people trust these idiots. It causes drama where there is non.