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  • #46
    How come there's never any black guys labeled as "pure effort" or "great motor" guys?
    "You're all very smart, and I'm very dumb." - Partial

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    • #47
      Originally posted by SkinBasket
      How come there's never any black guys labeled as "pure effort" or "great motor" guys?
      I don't watch Basketball anymore, but I have friends who do.....is Luc Mbah a Moute black?? He seems to be the quintessential try hard guy. How about Bo Outlaw or Ben Wallace.

      You want to stick with football? How about our very own Al Harris...you know, the guy who is too slow. RB's, how about OJ Anderson. Jim Brown maybe....man refused to be tackled. Earl Campbell.

      I will admit this one though. In all of baseball, off the top of my head I can't come up with one nonwhite player who gets the label "scrappy". Pretty sure you have to be short, white and a middle infielder to be a scrappy baseball player.
      The only time success comes before work is in the dictionary -- Vince Lombardi

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      • #48
        Chone Figgins is scrappy
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #49
          Originally posted by bobblehead
          Originally posted by SkinBasket
          How come there's never any black guys labeled as "pure effort" or "great motor" guys?
          I don't watch Basketball anymore, but I have friends who do.....is Luc Mbah a Moute black?? He seems to be the quintessential try hard guy. How about Bo Outlaw or Ben Wallace.

          You want to stick with football? How about our very own Al Harris...you know, the guy who is too slow. RB's, how about OJ Anderson. Jim Brown maybe....man refused to be tackled. Earl Campbell.

          I will admit this one though. In all of baseball, off the top of my head I can't come up with one nonwhite player who gets the label "scrappy". Pretty sure you have to be short, white and a middle infielder to be a scrappy baseball player.
          Yeah, but he's african or french or something.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by bobblehead
            Originally posted by SkinBasket
            How come there's never any black guys labeled as "pure effort" or "great motor" guys?
            I don't watch Basketball anymore, but I have friends who do.....is Luc Mbah a Moute black?? He seems to be the quintessential try hard guy. How about Bo Outlaw or Ben Wallace.

            You want to stick with football? How about our very own Al Harris...you know, the guy who is too slow. RB's, how about OJ Anderson. Jim Brown maybe....man refused to be tackled. Earl Campbell.

            I will admit this one though. In all of baseball, off the top of my head I can't come up with one nonwhite player who gets the label "scrappy". Pretty sure you have to be short, white and a middle infielder to be a scrappy baseball player.
            And remember, there's only one letter difference between "scrappy" and 'crappy."
            "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

            KYPack

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fritz
              And remember, there's only one letter difference between "scrappy" and 'crappy."
              You're on it today, Fritz.

              (that's not your name is it?)

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              • #52
                TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Bretsky
                  http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/mike_lucas/article_5d58d890-2a9e-11df-a2d6-001cc4c002e0.html
                  I think "the Packers should have traded Kampman" talk is just hindsight being 20/20 or better. You couldn't have traded Kampman midseason last year, because that would have been a crippling blow to locker room morale.

                  You can't just trade one of your defensive leaders and one of the best players on your defense midseason after starting out at .500. That would be a clear sign to the locker room that you're giving up on that season and playing for the future. For a team that turned around from 4-4, there's no way they would have finished 7-1 down the stretch if they did that.

                  Better to just take the compensatory pick we're going to get for Kampman next year (probably a 3rd or a 4th if he's healthy and productive), and stick with the "we're not giving up" message.
                  </delurk>

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Bretsky
                    http://host.madison.com/sports/columnists/mike_lucas/article_5d58d890-2a9e-11df-a2d6-001cc4c002e0.html
                    No, the Packers did not mishandle Kampman. He just didn't fit well into the defense. The 3-4 defense made Charles Woodson a more effective player. It made Kampman less effective. It happens.
                    I can't run no more
                    With that lawless crowd
                    While the killers in high places
                    Say their prayers out loud
                    But they've summoned, they've summoned up
                    A thundercloud
                    They're going to hear from me - Leonard Cohen

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                    • #55
                      So Lukas thinks the Packers are supposed to have a crystal ball about injuries? And be more concerned about where their player is going to get his next contract when he is still on his current one?

                      Why trade one of your most effective D players under these circumstance? If Greg Ellis could make the switch, I think Kampman could. But if you read his comments from the Jacksonville press conference, it is clear he did not want to.

                      I like Kampman and am reasonably assured he is, on balance, a fine individual. But those complaints about the change to his drills and film prep sound more like someone who did not want to play OLB, rather than someone who could not.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #56
                        Hard to take a guy seriously that writes stuff like this:

                        "The cryptic Ted Thompson has little or no personality; few if any communication skills; little or no urgency."

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                        • #57
                          Now you take a guy like Dan Snyder. There's a guy with a sense of urgency.
                          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                          KYPack

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                          • #58
                            I don't agree with the article although I already gave Kudos to everyone in here who stated we should have traded AK last year because he didn't fit the D. I would have kept him as we did and lost him because AK didn't want to play here anymore.

                            As much as the JS is ripped in here.......it's not just the JS who writes stories to garner more interest.....that kind of lack integrity. It's all over.
                            TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                            • #59
                              I think the Pack is on the right track. Not sure about Tauscher - he's a comfort but could Lang be better?

                              How will Jones's offseason program affect his play next year?

                              Important questions.
                              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                              KYPack

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                              • #60
                                If Brandt is right, perhaps the Packers thought it would be best to move on as well.

                                In 2010, in negotiating Aaron’s deal, the most relevant data point for the Jaguars was the recent deal between Vanden Bosch and the Lions. Déjà vu all over again, as Kampman’s deal is being reported as four years, $26M with $11M guaranteed, again virtually the same deal as Vanden Bosch with the Lions. This is a far cry from the one-year deal offered by the Packers before the start of free agency.
                                Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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