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  • #31
    Wolf also gets a free pass because (as Bob McGinn says in his book) that he taught folks in Wisconsin what a winning franchise looked like. I assume Bob meant people not old enough to know the Lombardi teams or pay attention to other franchises. He was first on the scene to turn this around and hired other very capable people. Like Rodgers replacing Favre, Thompson suffers by comparison.

    Retailguy may be right that Thompson is going to see more articles like this, but this is neither new nor representative. Thompson got lambasted all during the 2008 season by the beat guys and columnists after a stretch of remarkably evenhanded reporting about Favre-a-Palooza during the off-season and camp. I know many will not see the local coverage this way, but I was stunned that it was not as pro-Favre as the national stuff. In a way, Thompson benefited from Favre blowing off the local guys for years.

    Michaels is a poor representative. He gets credit from me for actually watching the game and players (not just the ball) but he regularly fails to place any of his observations in context. Whether it is a question of scheme, responsibility or failure elsewhere, Michaels returns to his favorite whipping boys regardless of the actual cause. You will never his from him that this offensive line can run block. You will only hear about pass blocking failures and lack of big gainers. There is no sense of proportion in his critique.

    But Thompson will regularly get dismissed by the idiots, including the twin combo of thumb twiddlers Bedard and Silverstein. They had all but registered a site for Thompson must go after Clifton was on a plane bound for Washington. McGinn at least starts with acknowledging the upswing in talent. Silverstard simply spends other people's money fast on poor choices, and like preseason picks, are never called to account for the dumber of their suggestions.

    RG also has a point, one that has some echoes in Brandt's lone criticism of Thompson so far. By failing to engage people and having difficult conversations early, problems get exacerbated. Not to the point of catastrophe, but to the point of distraction.

    But the largest factor is the Super Bowl win. Wolf has one, Polian has one, Thompson does not. Until he gets one, no one will believe you can do it this way. There has also been a failure of anyone writing for the papers to connect the reason Wolf left (Salary Cap) with the way Thompson operates differently than his mentor. Once teams stopped losing good players because they could not budget, it became much harder for Wolf to find talent through that channel. If not for his outstanding 2000 draft class, he would have left a pretty mediocre team behind.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #32
      Why is the media now required to take a combative tone? TT can sign who he wants. Michaels admits that TT's won the NFCN and taken teams to the NFCC game, yet insists that if Thompson doesn't sign free agents we'll be wild card and out in the playoffs? He suggests that you cannot get to a Super Bowl unless you sign big name free agents and that is simply not true. Michaels's criticisms are unfounded and outdated. A lot of people shared his beliefs as B said he once did, but Thompson has put together a solid team doing it his way. Are there weaknesses? Sure, but every team has them. The difference is that unless there are several injuries to one unit, they are not catastrophic holes. If Michaels wants to write about something, maybe he should talk about who this kid is rather than whining about the fact that he's here. Huh. Useful information. Whatever would we do with that. Actual journalism is toast, isn't it?
      "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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      • #33
        The media loving Thompson for telling the truth isn't going to win any football games. The media hating Thompson for being so vague isn't going to lose any. The media doesn't play football. The media isn't even an afterthought where winning and losing and roster building is concerned. So who the hell cares how Ted treats them? I hate the media just as much as I hate armchair GM's that think it's their right to know what's going on behind closed doors.

        I think Ted should be unconcerned with the media. I don't blame the media for trying to get truths out of Thompson, I mean that's their job after all, but I don't think Thompson owes them anything. In fact, I'd rather Thompson give them nothing at all. No deceptions, no truths, no quotes, nothing at all. A bunch of "no comment" answers is all I want from him. I hope when Thompson passes the words "No Comment" are etched into his gravestone for all eternity. I'd be much more concerned if he were spilling the beans rather than being as vague as humanly possible. The truth is nobody's business but his.
        Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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        • #34
          Maybe I'm missing something but I really don't see how their relationship with the media will have any effect on how they build their roster or play on sunday.
          Fred's Slacks is a Winner!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Gunakor
            The media loving Thompson for telling the truth isn't going to win any football games. The media hating Thompson for being so vague isn't going to lose any. The media doesn't play football. The media isn't even an afterthought where winning and losing and roster building is concerned. So who the hell cares how Ted treats them? I hate the media just as much as I hate armchair GM's that think it's their right to know what's going on behind closed doors.

            I think Ted should be unconcerned with the media. I don't blame the media for trying to get truths out of Thompson, I mean that's their job after all, but I don't think Thompson owes them anything. In fact, I'd rather Thompson give them nothing at all. No deceptions, no truths, no quotes, nothing at all. A bunch of "no comment" answers is all I want from him. I hope when Thompson passes the words "No Comment" are etched into his gravestone for all eternity. I'd be much more concerned if he were spilling the beans rather than being as vague as humanly possible. The truth is nobody's business but his.
            What he said.
            [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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            • #36
              Well, PB's right - it's about the winning a Super Bowl. Thompson gets the Pack to do that, and he'll get some love for a little while (until they don't win it the following year).

              One does have to be somewhat aware of media relations. You can't just openly blister the guys with the pens and cameras, because the result could become a circus, which can be distracting.

              I think perhaps Thompson needs a PR specialist to coach him up. Get his serious-level down. Open up his joke level. Be a little more fluid in the bullshit.

              I don't see why the team doesn't bring in a special coach for him.

              On another note, it seems that Thompson is going to or went to Alabama's pro day. Something about Thompson going to only the big schools' pro days so he can be unnoticed. I hope he brought his groucho marx glasses and mustache disguise.
              "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

              KYPack

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Fritz
                On another note, it seems that Thompson is going to or went to Alabama's pro day. Something about Thompson going to only the big schools' pro days so he can be unnoticed. I hope he brought his groucho marx glasses and mustache disguise.
                I love little nuggets like this. Where in the World is Ted the Turtle? Isn't Alabama going to have 10+ players drafted this year? Which one does TT secretly covet in the dark places where he feels emotionally involved with the game?

                And where is he going next?

                Maybe you just call the Packers' offices and ask. They'd probably tell you where he is if you asked nicely.

                Packer Front Office Secretary: Mr. Thompson is in California for USC's Pro Day.

                Packcker Fan: Thanks.

                Packer Front Office Secretary: You betcha.
                [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                • #38
                  " TT secretly covet in the dark places..."

                  That creeped me out, Swede.
                  "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                  KYPack

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Fritz
                    That creeped me out, Swede.
                    I kind of shuddered when I wrote it. I tell myself that he doesn't spend any time decorating his office, so I think we're okay.
                    [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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                    • #40
                      Gun, while I understand your critique of the media, it is naive to think you can continue to operate that way and not be affected by the consequences. Fans want a rooting interest in the products they spend their disposable dollars on. Whether its NASCAR or football, people want to feel like they have a stake. The more reason you give them to believe, the more comfortable they will be spending on you. Or approving your bond measures to redevelop the area around Lambeau.

                      Courting the media is part of that deal. Its not perfect and they are not a completely representative sample of the people that read them. But the fact that they DO read them, imperfect though they are, should tell any member of the Packers how important it is. People actually pay money to READ about your football team. And to watch programming about your football team that doesn't even involve the actual game itself.

                      Now, it does not directly impact the field, the players or the coaches. But it does affect the business side of the equation.

                      Thompson can successfully construct a winning roster without deep public support for his approach. But the consequence for him is that support in the building will be lower than it would otherwise be. Mark Murphy is not tied to Thompson like Harlan would have been. They only share the Favre decision, and that one has passed without job loss.

                      It leaves him little room for error. Thus, when they miscalculate on the offensive line in 09, people are ready to call for his head immediately. It means that any incident on the field can become the sole prism through which success is judged. And that is a poor barometer.

                      Like the Steelers, Thompson must have frequent enough deep playoff runs to buy him credit to survive the poor years and bad decisions. Very few teams are as patient as the Steelers were with Cowher. The good news for Thompson is that the Packers might be on that short list.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by pbmax

                        Courting the media is part of that deal. Its not perfect and they are not a completely representative sample of the people that read them. But the fact that they DO read them, imperfect though they are, should tell any member of the Packers how important it is. People actually pay money to READ about your football team. And to watch programming about your football team that doesn't even involve the actual game itself.
                        I was talking with a colleague today about political philosophy. He quoted an acquaintance of his who adopted his mentor's philosophy that if you give people ALL the information, they will, on their own, choose the truth as a rationale for just laying things out there. I said that philosophy is good as long as people have ALL the information. If not, they tend to believe what they are fed. My fear is that if Thompson can't court the media, that fans will only have what they are fed and will adopt ignorant attitudes. You see it all the time. The fear is when they try to put pressure on the organization as a result. Now that's never really worked for Detroit fans, but it's a distraction nonetheless when the media is more focused on fans with bags over their heads than the game at hand.
                        "Greatness is not an act... but a habit.Greatness is not an act... but a habit." -Greg Jennings

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by pbmax
                          It leaves him little room for error. Thus, when they miscalculate on the offensive line in 09, people are ready to call for his head immediately. It means that any incident on the field can become the sole prism through which success is judged. And that is a poor barometer.
                          You think it would have been any different had they been more open about their plan for the OL back in March and April of '09? I think people would have been ready to call for his head anyways. It's not what he said or didn't say that got people all upset about it, it was the fact that the OL wasn't performing. Had the OL performed spectacularly last year nobody would care. So it really didn't have anything to do with Thompson's reluctance with the media. Any incident on the field can become the sole prism through which success is judged whether the GM is a babbling fountain of truth or quietly conducts his business away from the media.

                          Originally posted by pbmax
                          Now, it does not directly impact the field, the players or the coaches. But it does affect the business side of the equation.

                          Thompson has won Executive of the Year 2 of the last 3 years. He's nearly completely turned over the old and overpaid roster he inherited and has built a team right on the cusp of being SB contenders for many years to come - all behind a veil of secrecy and deception. But by all means, Packer fans, bitch about his reluctance to speak with the media as a major downfall. Refuse to support the team simply because you don't know what's going to happen before it happens. Sell your tickets to me if you're too pissed off over Thompson's silence. I will just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show knowing that, even without knowing anything going on in Ted Thompson's mind, the team is in good hands. Silence is golden.
                          Chuck Norris doesn't cut his grass, he just stares at it and dares it to grow

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                          • #43
                            If the media reporting is skewed because of TT's lack of media savy and it hurts the Packers, shouldn't we be angry with the media? I mean, sure TT could improve the situation, but can't the media just do their job without being spiteful because TT isn't sharing as much information as they are used to having?

                            MJZiggy,

                            I don't share your colleague's mentor's optimism. I would agree that people are more likely to be convinced of something if they believe that they came to the conclusion on their own. Still, even given all information, my experience is that none us truly puts aside our preexisting biases and are completely objective. Given the same set of information about any subject that has some emotional component, we will reach different "truths," and it can be very difficult to change our minds once we reach a conclusion.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Gunakor
                              You think it would have been any different had they been more open about their plan for the OL back in March and April of '09? I think people would have been ready to call for his head anyways. It's not what he said or didn't say that got people all upset about it, it was the fact that the OL wasn't performing. Had the OL performed spectacularly last year nobody would care. So it really didn't have anything to do with Thompson's reluctance with the media. Any incident on the field can become the sole prism through which success is judged whether the GM is a babbling fountain of truth or quietly conducts his business away from the media.
                              Not exactly. The GM, or "sources" close to the GM can help to correct perception about the players involved. Why was Meredith not ready for the roster? In retrospect, could he have helped more than Colledge and let Lang work at RT? Left to their own devices, people are convinced that putting Meredith on the PS was a mistake. Same with letting Moll go for a safety to play special teams. There is a reason we are getting Jamon Meredith updates almost as frequently as Favre updates.


                              Thompson has won Executive of the Year 2 of the last 3 years. He's nearly completely turned over the old and overpaid roster he inherited and has built a team right on the cusp of being SB contenders for many years to come - all behind a veil of secrecy and deception. But by all means, Packer fans, bitch about his reluctance to speak with the media as a major downfall. Refuse to support the team simply because you don't know what's going to happen before it happens. Sell your tickets to me if you're too pissed off over Thompson's silence. I will just sit back, relax, and enjoy the show knowing that, even without knowing anything going on in Ted Thompson's mind, the team is in good hands. Silence is golden.
                              No one has ever bought a jersey of the GM for winning GM of the year. Public confidence and pride is necessary. Of course it can be done without a PR campaign, but as I said the margin for error is smaller. You are simply making it more difficult on yourself.

                              When it comes to brass tacks, clearly he has succeeded, though I suspect they expected much better things in 08. And if I had to choose between better PR from the personnel dept versus Thompson, I would choose Thompson in a heartbeat. But there is no reason they can't have both. Its just a skill, one that we know he possesses if you listen to that radio interview.
                              Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by vince
                                Here's a recent interview where Ted was pretty talkative about how they approach the combine, Ryan Pickett, the evolution of the tight end position, the offensive line, and more.

                                Feb. 26: Sirius NFL Radio with Alex Marvez and Gil Brandt

                                The reporter gave him proper respect as an NFL GM and actually asked probing and appropriate rather than offensive questions that didn't elicit defensive or dismissive one-word responses from Ted. Imagine that. Ted's not the most colorful guy, granted, but his responses to the press are as much a product of the interviewer in most cases as the interviewee.
                                Exactly. Is it any wonder that TT gives Bedard hilariously bad answers, when all Bedard insists on doing is asking negative and, in some cases, rather insulting questions?

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