Taylor Mays a Packers?

[rbaloha1]

Yes please to Taylor Mays. A 6'4" safety who ran a 4.24 at the combine?

His official time was 4.43 - still pretty fast.

Right, but he ran an unofficial 4.24 before the official timing at the combine.

Whatever the 40 time Mays is fast and a big time hitter. AB can focus on special teams and a blitzer in certain packages.

[bigcoz75]

I wouldn't be mad at all and would love to see what a coach like Perry could do with him.

[pbmax]

Have any of Capers former safeties had abilities that align with Mays? I am not saying same size and speed, but big hitter who may be less effective in coverage?

And I have seen Mays numbers for INTs. Does anyone have his numbers for forced fumbles and passes defended?

[Bretsky]

Have any of Capers former safeties had abilities that align with Mays? I am not saying same size and speed, but big hitter who may be less effective in coverage?

And I have seen Mays numbers for INTs. Does anyone have his numbers for forced fumbles and passes defended?

Mel Kiper just called Mays, in terms of measurables, the most talented safety ever to enter the draft. That surprised me a bit. I do think we have solid coaches on defense and in the secondary who would have the ability to bring out the best in Mays. I might not feel as confident in other areas.
I think Capers would find ways to utilize him in ways he could develop as a shining star. The Roy Williams comparisons are ESPN babble; Mays at this point is far more talented and faster than Williams was as a senior and his upside is much greater. He seems to possess a great attitude and be a Packer person.

For the record, I"m not endorsing Mays as our pick. But I would not be disapppointed either.

[rbaloha1]

RW was stiff -- TM is not. If TM has coverage issues DC can tweak the scheme to mask the weakness.

It would not surprise TT moves-up to take TM since it appears he is moving-up on draft boards.

[pbmax]

Have any of Capers former safeties had abilities that align with Mays? I am not saying same size and speed, but big hitter who may be less effective in coverage?

And I have seen Mays numbers for INTs. Does anyone have his numbers for forced fumbles and passes defended?

Mel Kiper just called Mays, in terms of measurables, the most talented safety ever to enter the draft. That surprised me a bit. I do think we have solid coaches on defense and in the secondary who would have the ability to bring out the best in Mays. I might not feel as confident in other areas.
I think Capers would find ways to utilize him in ways he could develop as a shining star. The Roy Williams comparisons are ESPN babble; Mays at this point is far more talented and faster than Williams was as a senior and his upside is much greater. He seems to possess a great attitude and be a Packer person.

For the record, I"m not endorsing Mays as our pick. But I would not be disapppointed either.

Not only ESPN babble. Roy Williams was drafted higher than Mays projects to be. So a number of teams believe that as far as prospects go, the levels were similar, with RW possibly better.

Now, I agree, Mays may not suffer the same fate as Roy Williams in the pros, but we all know measurables can make for some bad NFL players. Gholston, Allen Barbre, etc.

[Bretsky]

[quote="pbmax"]

Have any of Capers former safeties had abilities that align with Mays? I am not saying same size and speed, but big hitter who may be less effective in coverage?

And I have seen Mays numbers for INTs. Does anyone have his numbers for forced fumbles and passes defended?

Mel Kiper just called Mays, in terms of measurables, the most talented safety ever to enter the draft. That surprised me a bit. I do think we have solid coaches on defense and in the secondary who would have the ability to bring out the best in Mays. I might not feel as confident in other areas.
I think Capers would find ways to utilize him in ways he could develop as a shining star. The Roy Williams comparisons are ESPN babble; Mays at this point is far more talented and faster than Williams was as a senior and his upside is much greater. He seems to possess a great attitude and be a Packer person.

For the record, I"m not endorsing Mays as our pick. But I would not be disapppointed either.

Not only ESPN babble. Roy Williams was drafted higher than Mays projects to be. So a number of teams believe that as far as prospects go, the levels were similar, with RW possibly better.

Now, I agree, Mays may not suffer the same fate as Roy Williams in the pros, but we all know measurables can make for some bad NFL players. Gholston, Allen Barbre, etc.[/quote


RW might have come out with a weak draft class as well

[Lurker64]

Now, I agree, Mays may not suffer the same fate as Roy Williams in the pros, but we all know measurables can make for some bad NFL players. Gholston, Allen Barbre, etc.

Well, strictly speaking Barbre's problem did show up in his measurables. He's a heck of an athlete and nobody will doubt it, but he's very much not smart. His wonderlic was an 11, while the average for guards, centers, and tackles are 23, 25, and 26 (for the record, 10 is the generally accepted cutoff for "literate".)

Watching Barbre through his career, it's pretty clear that his problems are almost all in his head. Whether those are correctable? No idea.

[Patler]

Followed links to watch highlights, and proceeded to spend about 45 minutes watching a whole string of his highlights on Youtube. I will admit to knowing little about him, because I have seen 1 or 2 games each year that he was in, that's all.

The highlights are not likely very representative, but from the highlights I noticed:

1. He rarely made a play on the ball, even when in good position to do so. He didn't even look for the ball. How many current and former Packers have driven us crazy with that?

2. #1 was so bad in some of his "highlights" that he conceded the reception to go for a big hit.

3. Unfortunately, too many times the hit from #2 above failed to dislodge the ball. Golden Tate and others simply held on when they got blasted.

4. His tackling technique as exhibited in his highlights consisted of hitting as hard as he could with the point of his shoulder. His arms never entered into it, whether hitting receivers or runningbacks, whether in traffic or the open field.

5. From #4 many running backs he hit stayed on their feet, but went down tripping over bodies they were knocked into.

6. He often put his head down and looked away in #5. I'm waiting for NFL RBs to sidestep his big hit when he does that.

7. #6 was so pronounced in several instances that a team mate took the brunt of his hit, not the opponent who tried to avoid him.


I have no idea if these were representative of the way he played most often or not. I have no idea if he can be coached to improve on all of those things. Just observations from what some fans thought were his "highlights". I was surprised at how many of his supposed "highlights" were actually completed passes, albeit with a hard hit at the end.

[pbmax]

Now, I agree, Mays may not suffer the same fate as Roy Williams in the pros, but we all know measurables can make for some bad NFL players. Gholston, Allen Barbre, etc.

Well, strictly speaking Barbre's problem did show up in his measurables. He's a heck of an athlete and nobody will doubt it, but he's very much not smart. His wonderlic was an 11, while the average for guards, centers, and tackles are 23, 25, and 26 (for the record, 10 is the generally accepted cutoff for "literate".)

Watching Barbre through his career, it's pretty clear that his problems are almost all in his head. Whether those are correctable? No idea.

Do we know Mays Wonderlic score?

And if Marino can play QB the way he did with a 13, then the Wonderlic probably doesn't cover enough ground on their mental abilities.

[Patler]

Do we know Mays Wonderlic score?

22, according to Wes Bunting on the National Football Post.

[Brandon494]

Wonderlic means nothing, you don't have to be smart to be a good football player. example: Emmitt Smith

[Mazzin]

Wonderlic means nothing, you don't have to be smart to be a good football player. example: Emmitt Smith

Or Jerry Rice....who may be smart as hell, but if you've ever heard his sports commentary it's PAINFUL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CAsGNlQEnI

He can't even READ good without showing it, if anyones heard this man on Sirus satillite radio its painful thing....stutters like Adrian Peterson formerly of the Bears.....( GO GEORGIA SOUTHERN!)

[Bretsky]

Very few QB's with poor Wonderlific scores make it.......Vince Young might be the exception

[pbmax]

Wonderlic means nothing, you don't have to be smart to be a good football player. example: Emmitt Smith

Running back is much different than QB or an Offensive Guard. You may not need to be smart to play football, but it may limit your options. The problem is that Wonderlic is just a single, limited measurement.