Mock Draft V2010.3

[bigcoz75]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

I would like to see someone like Ben Tate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY or Hardesty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJiHPqy8xE a few rounds later both of which I think will be productive NFL backs.

[Gunakor]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

If its not Spiller or Matthews then I believe we would be wasting our 1st round pick if we drafted a RB. But your wrong about not needing a RB for a year or two, in this league you need two runnings backs. Vikings drafted AP after having Taylor, Cowboys drafted Jones after having Barber, Panthers drafted Steward after having Williams, and so on.

Do we need to use a high round pick on a guy who is likely to play second fiddle to Grant for a number of years? I'd rather wait until day 2, especially having BJax still on the roster.

[Bretsky]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

If its not Spiller or Matthews then I believe we would be wasting our 1st round pick if we drafted a RB. But your wrong about not needing a RB for a year or two, in this league you need two runnings backs. Vikings drafted AP after having Taylor, Cowboys drafted Jones after having Barber, Panthers drafted Steward after having Williams, and so on.

Do we need to use a high round pick on a guy who is likely to play second fiddle to Grant for a number of years? I'd rather wait until day 2, especially having BJax still on the roster.

Doesn't Grant have a big bonus worked into his contract next year ? I may be wrong but I thought the radio noted that. If he does drafting a RB high might be a TT type pick. I've always thought part of that Harrell pick was TT really feeling C Williams would not be a Packer the following year.

[Gunakor]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

I would like to see someone like Ben Tate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfBkonPBFGY or Hardesty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJJiHPqy8xE a few rounds later both of which I think will be productive NFL backs.

I'd be happy with either of those guys. I just don't want a first round pick being spent on a player and position that could just as easily be filled in the 3rd and 4th rounds.

[Gunakor]

Doesn't Grant have a big bonus worked into his contract next year ? I may be wrong but I thought the radio noted that. If he does drafting a RB high might be a TT type pick. I've always thought part of that Harrell pick was TT really feeling C Williams would not be a Packer the following year.

Could be, but I don't see TT or MM trying to get rid of Grant any time soon. He's far more valuable than most here give him credit for, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. He's become an old school, smash mouth, grind it out type back that won't get you big chunks of yards but will consistently leave you with 3rd and manageable. Even if he goes down on first contact he falls forward for 3 or 4 yards. I've almost never seen him tackled for a loss in 2 and a half years as our starter. I can count the number of times I've seen him fumble on one hand, and half of those came in a single game - a playoff game played in a snowstorm where he finished with 204 yards rushing to offset his 2 early fumbles.

Look, I understand from a fans perspective it's exciting to have an electric type playmaker at RB. I do. 80 yard TD rushes are fun to watch. 4 yard carries are boring. I get that. But 4 yards per carry equals first downs, long drives, and tired defenses. I'm good with that. I'm sure they at 1265 are too, which is why I don't see them making any changes any time soon.

[Bretsky]

Doesn't Grant have a big bonus worked into his contract next year ? I may be wrong but I thought the radio noted that. If he does drafting a RB high might be a TT type pick. I've always thought part of that Harrell pick was TT really feeling C Williams would not be a Packer the following year.

Could be, but I don't see TT or MM trying to get rid of Grant any time soon. He's far more valuable than most here give him credit for, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. He's become an old school, smash mouth, grind it out type back that won't get you big chunks of yards but will consistently leave you with 3rd and manageable. Even if he goes down on first contact he falls forward for 3 or 4 yards. I've almost never seen him tackled for a loss in 2 and a half years as our starter. I can count the number of times I've seen him fumble on one hand, and half of those came in a single game - a playoff game played in a snowstorm where he finished with 204 yards rushing to offset his 2 early fumbles.

Look, I understand from a fans perspective it's exciting to have an electric type playmaker at RB. I do. 80 yard TD rushes are fun to watch. 4 yard carries are boring. I get that. But 4 yards per carry equals first downs, long drives, and tired defenses. I'm good with that. I'm sure they at 1265 are too, which is why I don't see them making any changes any time soon.

Honestly I think they are too

However, if they draft Matthews, they are not picking him to be Grant's sidekick.

They are saying this guy is going to be a rising star and better than Ryan Grant.

[Brandon494]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

If its not Spiller or Matthews then I believe we would be wasting our 1st round pick if we drafted a RB. But your wrong about not needing a RB for a year or two, in this league you need two runnings backs. Vikings drafted AP after having Taylor, Cowboys drafted Jones after having Barber, Panthers drafted Steward after having Williams, and so on.

Do we need to use a high round pick on a guy who is likely to play second fiddle to Grant for a number of years? I'd rather wait until day 2, especially having BJax still on the roster.

Yea because Brandon Jackson is such a stud.

CJ Spillier is a game changer who would be a perfect back to complement Grant and also a factor as a receiver and on special teams. You see how much Harvin helped the Vikings this season, CJ is the same type of player.

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

[Gunakor]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

[Mazzin]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

Tell that to the Titans, I think they will beg to differ. They had the grind it out type back in Lendale White, and then drafted Chris Johnson, and after year one do you EVER see L. White any more? Nope CJ is even getting the goal line carries. Also I agree that time of possession is great and all but you don't need it to win. (if we can keep our secondary healthy) You did watch the Colts @ Dolphins game this year didn't you?

[mission]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

So you think he has another 3-4 years of 1200/4.4 in him?

[Mazzin]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

So you think he has another 3-4 years of 1200/4.4 in him?

Too old

[RashanGary]

I like Grant too. I have a friend that keeps saying, Grant is the only regular 1,000 yard rusher I've ever seen that isn't good at anything.

I'm with Gunakor, He really doesn't have a particular skill that stands out per se, but he's got toughness. Ryan Grant is a tough dude. You can count on him to come out ever game and grind out the tough yards.



However, I'm on record saying Ryan Matthews is the next Adrian Peterson and I know that's lofty praise, but when I watched him run, he's just amazing. The things he does, breaking tackles, the speed, the vision. All of that works in the NFL. He's going to be a star and while Grant is solid, Matthews is a difference maker. I'll take one of each and Grants salary goes down if Matthews takes his carries so it's as double bonus.

[Bretsky]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

So you think he has another 3-4 years of 1200/4.4 in him?

He could have another three of 1200 in him with an improving OL

I think Grant is a decent RB; probably in the ten to twelve range. We can win a Super Bowl with him. If TT thinks there is a franchise back out there he might take him though.

1200 really isn't that impressive anymore with a seventeen game schedule.

Not sure what the number is.......but with seventeen games I'd think you'd want 1400-1500 of of an elite back

[Brandon494]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

Dude you don't even know what you are talking about. I never said Grant is garbage. You find one statement of me talking crap about Grant and I will never post on this board again. All I'm saying is you need more than 1 RB in todays game, why is that so hard for you to understand? Grant is a good back but what if he goes down with injury? Then who are you left with? Brandon Jackson? Give me break. Look around the league at all the teams that have 2 RB tandems. Cowboys, Vikings, Saints, Chargers, Jets, Ravens, Colts, Bengals, Cardinals.... and those are just the playoff teams.

[Brandon494]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

Tell that to the Titans, I think they will beg to differ. They had the grind it out type back in Lendale White, and then drafted Chris Johnson, and after year one do you EVER see L. White any more? Nope CJ is even getting the goal line carries. Also I agree that time of possession is great and all but you don't need it to win. (if we can keep our secondary healthy) You did watch the Colts @ Dolphins game this year didn't you?

Exactly, same can be said about the Vikings when they selected AP after Chester Taylor had just rushed for 1,200 yards or when the Cowboys selected Felix Jones after they already had Barber. Having that change of pace running back to your offense is something we don't have and if the right running back falls to us (Spillier or Matthews) I would hope TT would atleast think about drafting one of them. No one is trying to knock Grant.