Mock Draft V2010.3

[Gunakor]

Also far as Matthews honeslty I think he is a better RB than Ryan Grant right now so I doubt he would be playing second fiddle to Grant for a "number of years".

Of course you do. You and your ilk think Grant is garbage. I understand that.

What would you do if they did draft Matthews or Spiller and there was little to no change in our run game? What would you say if you found out only after the fact that Grant wasn't the problem in the first place?

I like Grant. I think he's a top back in the NFL. I think his stats for 2 straight years that put him in the top 10 prove that. I don't think there's a rookie that's going to step in and do what he does behind the sieve that is our extremely offensive line. Grant isn't the best back in the NFL but he's a helluva lot better than you give him credit for.

So you think he has another 3-4 years of 1200/4.4 in him?

He didn't have a single carry in the NFL until he was 26 years old. He's got plenty of tread left on those tires. Yeah, I think he has at least 3 left in him.

[Gunakor]

1200 really isn't that impressive anymore with a seventeen game schedule.

I hear that argument alot too. If it's so average, why is it that only 8 other backs in the NFL could manage to top the 1250 Grant had?

For crying out loud, people try to make it seem like 1600 yard seasons happen all the time. 1200 yards is indeed impressive. Especially when you put it into context - 1200 yards in consecutive seasons, on a pass happy offense that has racked up 4000+ yards passing in each of those consecutive seasons, behind an offensive line that can't run block worth shit. Grant's the man. There ain't 10 backs in the NFL better than him.

[Gunakor]

Dude you don't even know what you are talking about. I never said Grant is garbage. You find one statement of me talking crap about Grant and I will never post on this board again. All I'm saying is you need more than 1 RB in todays game, why is that so hard for you to understand? Grant is a good back but what if he goes down with injury? Then who are you left with? Brandon Jackson? Give me break. Look around the league at all the teams that have 2 RB tandems. Cowboys, Vikings, Saints, Chargers, Jets, Ravens, Colts, Bengals, Cardinals.... and those are just the playoff teams.

You said a goddamn rookie was going to step in and be better than Grant. A ROOKIE. That's talking crap about Grant. No rookie is going to step in and do what Grant does on THIS team. No chance. Why? Because OUR team does not put it's RB's in any kind of a position to be successful, and Grant is successful in spite of it. No rookie is going to do that.

It's obvious to me that what you really want is a replacement for Grant. You aren't the only one who feels that way. And as I said earlier, I can understand why. He's not fun to watch. Big deal IMO.

You said B-Jax is no stud. Fine, I can agree there. Grant is. We don't need 2 stud RB's to make this offense go. We aren't the Cowboys or the Jaguars or the Vikings. We have a top tier passing attack and a coach who calls passing plays 75% of the time. We don't need to split carries, all we need is someone to come in on 3rd down and pick up a blitz or make a play with the ball in the open field. That's not worth a day 1 pick, even if it's Spiller or Matthews. I'm fine with Jackson as my #2 back. Now, give me some linemen that will open up some holes for the two of them to run through. The problem isn't the backs. The problem starts and ends in the trenches.

There is absolutely no need to spend a day 1 pick on a RB. If a RB is BPA when the Packers are on the clock, trade down and pick up an extra 3rd or 4th round pick - and use that on a RB instead.

[Bretsky]

[quote="Gunakor"]

1200 really isn't that impressive anymore with a seventeen game schedule.

I hear that argument alot too. If it's so average, why is it that only 8 other backs in the NFL could manage to top the 1250 Grant had?

For crying out loud, people try to make it seem like 1600 yard seasons happen all the time. 1200 yards is indeed impressive. Especially when you put it into context - 1200 yards in consecutive seasons, on a pass happy offense that has racked up 4000+ yards passing in each of those consecutive seasons, behind an offensive line that can't run block worth shit. Grant's the man. ]There ain't 10 backs in the NFL better than him. ]quote]



One could argue that being on a pass first offense where oppositing coordinator's were more worried about the passing game helped Grant some. Taking a browse at the RB's, guys I'd probably take over Grant are

1. Ronnie Brown
2. Chris Johnson
3. Thomas Jones
4. Ray Rice
5. Chris Johnson
6. Maurice Jones Drew
7. Michael Turner
8. Stephen Jackson
9. Frank Gore
10 Deangelo Williams

I supppose one could argue Thomas Jones should not be up there or Brown has been injured lately. Some like Gore more than others as well.

If they are healthy one might argue Ahmad Bradshaw and LaDanion Tomlinson are up there.

For the record, I'm not sure where I rank Beanie Wells, Pierre Thomas, and Felix Jones.,

[Gunakor]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

Tell that to the Titans, I think they will beg to differ. They had the grind it out type back in Lendale White, and then drafted Chris Johnson, and after year one do you EVER see L. White any more? Nope CJ is even getting the goal line carries. Also I agree that time of possession is great and all but you don't need it to win. (if we can keep our secondary healthy) You did watch the Colts @ Dolphins game this year didn't you?

The Titans hit a homerun when they drafted Chris Johnson.

Where were they this January? I'm not interested in 2000 yard seasons. I'm interested in wins. The playoffs. The SUPER BOWL. That requires more than a 2000 yard RB. And the needs we have beyond RB are much more pressing than a guy to replace our 1200 yard 14 TD Ryan Grant. Perhaps if the Titans took this mindset into their offseasons they wouldn't have Chris Johnson but they'd have been stronger elsewhere, and a playoff team with grind it out Lendale White as their starting RB. That's where I'm coming from.

[Mazzin]

Gunakor calm down, I really don't think Brandon was tryin to get ya goin.

[Mazzin]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

Tell that to the Titans, I think they will beg to differ. They had the grind it out type back in Lendale White, and then drafted Chris Johnson, and after year one do you EVER see L. White any more? Nope CJ is even getting the goal line carries. Also I agree that time of possession is great and all but you don't need it to win. (if we can keep our secondary healthy) You did watch the Colts @ Dolphins game this year didn't you?

The Titans hit a homerun when they drafted Chris Johnson.

Where were they this January? I'm not interested in 2000 yard seasons. I'm interested in wins. The playoffs. The SUPER BOWL. That requires more than a 2000 yard RB. And the needs we have beyond RB are much more pressing than a guy to replace our 1200 yard 14 TD Ryan Grant. Perhaps if the Titans took this mindset into their offseasons they wouldn't have Chris Johnson but they'd have been stronger elsewhere, and a playoff team with grind it out Lendale White as their starting RB. That's where I'm coming from.

They got on a hot streak, the reason they didn't make it is: A. They play in the colts division
B. C. finnigan (sp) got hurt, AND they lost A. Haynesworth....it was their defense
C. They had Kerry Collins start the season and V. Young came in..they did better, ended hott.

Gun, you can at least admit that having a running back that is a THREAT to catch one outta the backfield and take it all the way wouldn't be nice.

[Gunakor]

I will cry if we decide to draft a RB with our first pick this year.

Grant still has 3 good years left at least, and while everyone is down on him for some reason the fact is he gets the job done @ 4.4 ypc. I don't care that he isn't popping off 60 yard TD carries - that's not as important as not ever being tackled for loss and never fumbling the ball. It's not as important as moving the chains and tiring out the defense. It's not as important as keeping the clock moving in time consuming drives, winning the time of possession battle. That's ALL more important than the exciting home run hitter at RB.

It'll be another year or two before we have to start looking for a new eventual starting RB. Using a first or even a high second on a RB in this years draft is a wasted pick IMO.

Tell that to the Titans, I think they will beg to differ. They had the grind it out type back in Lendale White, and then drafted Chris Johnson, and after year one do you EVER see L. White any more? Nope CJ is even getting the goal line carries. Also I agree that time of possession is great and all but you don't need it to win. (if we can keep our secondary healthy) You did watch the Colts @ Dolphins game this year didn't you?

The Titans hit a homerun when they drafted Chris Johnson.

Where were they this January? I'm not interested in 2000 yard seasons. I'm interested in wins. The playoffs. The SUPER BOWL. That requires more than a 2000 yard RB. And the needs we have beyond RB are much more pressing than a guy to replace our 1200 yard 14 TD Ryan Grant. Perhaps if the Titans took this mindset into their offseasons they wouldn't have Chris Johnson but they'd have been stronger elsewhere, and a playoff team with grind it out Lendale White as their starting RB. That's where I'm coming from.

They got on a hot streak, the reason they didn't make it is: A. They play in the colts division
B. C. finnigan (sp) got hurt, AND they lost A. Haynesworth....it was their defense
C. They had Kerry Collins start the season and V. Young came in..they did better, ended hott.

Gun, you can at least admit that having a running back that is a THREAT to catch one outta the backfield and take it all the way wouldn't be nice.

Grant is that threat. Remember 2007? The games against the Bears? The 80 yarder that came up 5 yards short in week 1 of the 2008 season? I think opposing DC's do.

I'm sorry for getting so riled up. I'm happy as hell with Grant as our workhorse. I don't wanna see him replaced. I don't wanna see him split carries. I want him to get 25+ carries a game, because when Grant gets that many carries the Packers win the game. Big time NO to a first or second round RB. Get me linemen that will keep Rodgers' jersey clean and will get Grant to the second level.

[Bretsky]

We can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Grant as our Workhorse

[Mazzin]

I think I've figured you out Gunny, you own Ryan Grant in your keeper fantasy league...what is there 6 keepers per team?

[Gunakor]

I think I've figured you out Gunny, you own Ryan Grant in your keeper fantasy league...what is there 6 keepers per team?

I have no keeper league team. I just appreciate consistency. Grant has never been that great as a fantasy back anyway. But I root for the Packers, not stats to boost a fantasy team. And IMO Ryan Grant is what's best for the Packers. I honestly don't see why so many people want him replaced or his role to be changed. He's a high quality back IMO.

[red]

it wouldn't be about replacing grant, ldrafting a good RB would be giving grant help and prolonging both rb's career,

its a tactic that a lot of teams are starting to use and players are even starting to like it more

weather you're talking spiller or mathews, best, or McCluster. your're looking at a 1A and 1B type of running back by committee. also if they're is an injury it doesn't send you right up shit creek

with this we might be able to prolong Grant's career for a few more years. or we could just ride him as the workhorse and toss him out in 2 or 3 years when he's got nothing left.

both ways i think could get us to where we want to be. it might just be a little easier with a tandem

[Bretsky]

I think I've figured you out Gunny, you own Ryan Grant in your keeper fantasy league...what is there 6 keepers per team?

I have no keeper league team. I just appreciate consistency. Grant has never been that great as a fantasy back anyway. But I root for the Packers, not stats to boost a fantasy team. And IMO Ryan Grant is what's best for the Packers. I honestly don't see why so many people want him replaced or his role to be changed. He's a high quality back IMO.

he's like the cute reliable, honest, trustworthy chick. But many want to take a shot with the model. So they want to dump her and go with the beauty.

But when the beauty drops you or turns out to be a little whacked out, often you end up with an ugly...........when you just could've stayed with the cute chick and been happy

[Gunakor]

or we could just ride him as the workhorse and toss him out in 2 or 3 years when he's got nothing left.

This is the way I'd play it. Draft his replacement in a year or two when he starts to slow down. Until then, give him his 25 carries a game because when he gets 25 carries a game the Packers win. He's a workhorse, and the thing about workhorses is they need their carries to be effective. Grant gets stronger as the game goes on. He gets stronger as the season goes on. The more times they give him the rock the better he is with it. I see no reason to decrease his touches.

[Brandon494]

Gunakor calm down, I really don't think Brandon was tryin to get ya goin.

haha I really wasn't, dude just made like 20 posts in 5 minutes.

Can someone give this guy a beer, a shot, a smoke, or something to chill him out. Maybe a Ryan Grant starter jersey?