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    Ryan Grant

    I personally didn't know this but dang he actually had a really good year...I am down on him like a lot of people here saying he is a servicable back that we could upgrade, but actually looking at the stats from last year wow.

    I mean he had 1253 yards averaged 4.4 yards per carry, 11 TDs, 10 explosive runs and....WAIT FOR IT....ZERO FUMBLES!!! WTF

    I mean I would imagine most of us here think Chris Johnson and AP are the class of the NFL for last year right? Well compare the stats...AP had 1383 yards and a 4.4 average, 18 TDs, 15 explosive runs and 6 fumbles...CJ had 2009 yards (Damn) 5.6 avg (WOW) 14 TDs, 29 explosive runs and only 3 fumbles.

    Comparing the three well CJ had a freaking CAREER year and AP had a "down" year.

    Now look at the offenses they played on. The Pack and Vikes had similar stats in the Passing game and the Titans...well...they were the 23 ranked passing offense.

    Now I am not saying that Grant is the class of the NFL but if you look at the stats for him to really be considered elite would he have to have 5 more explosive carries a year? I would take his running and not killing 6 drives a year with fumbles.

    What do you folks think? I mean a decent number 2 back and an O line that is in tuned with eachother we could have such an amazing compliment to our already amazingly talented passing game.

    *edit*

    Oh and this also must mean our much maligned O line and coaching staff...I am one of the most outspoken on how much they rub...actually did a good job here...damn crow tastes funny...
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    been a widely debated topic. If you really break down every #1 RB you'd have to consider Grant a top 12 RB. People should list their top 12. Hard to keep Grant out of it.

    He's not an elite RB IMO but we can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Grant. He's a solid, but unspectacular #1 RB.
    TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bretsky
      been a widely debated topic. If you really break down every #1 RB you'd have to consider Grant a top 12 RB. People should list their top 12. Hard to keep Grant out of it.

      He's not an elite RB IMO but we can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Grant. He's a solid, but unspectacular #1 RB.
      Now the question then Bretsky is what would make him a spectacular back? Is it 6-10 more 20+ yard carries?
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      • #4
        I think the explosive runs number basically covers his shortcomings. The rest of the numbers are quite good. And the team did well in short yardage and power rushing opportunities (also need to love the fullback dive). Can we agree he isn't overpaid now?
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        • #5
          I guess that is it, I was just making sure I wasnt missing something...I mean if the line corrects its mistakes from last year...DAMN he could be MORE than servicable...
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          • #6
            My only issue with Grant is that he isn't a very good pass receiver. I suspect that is part of the reason we don't see more screen passes. I'm okay with Ryan now, but I suspect he'll have a relatively short career. He probably has about three years of productivity left.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tony Oday
              Originally posted by Bretsky
              been a widely debated topic. If you really break down every #1 RB you'd have to consider Grant a top 12 RB. People should list their top 12. Hard to keep Grant out of it.

              He's not an elite RB IMO but we can win a Super Bowl with Ryan Grant. He's a solid, but unspectacular #1 RB.
              Now the question then Bretsky is what would make him a spectacular back? Is it 6-10 more 20+ yard carries?

              A better receiver
              A better ability to make people miss


              If you look at all of the NFL #1 backs you'll find out there are a lot of weak ones. We are fortunate to have Grant. A lot of teams really are in need of a #1 RB to develop
              TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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              • #8
                Grant has grown on me...

                Yes, he's straight lineish, and doesn't make much on his own beyond running thru arm tackles, but he's steady, fast, and the type of back that gets stronger as the game goes on.

                I'd like to see a better compliment to him... but that isn't a knock on Grant himself - a lot of teams are built around two backs.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Joemailman
                  My only issue with Grant is that he isn't a very good pass receiver. I suspect that is part of the reason we don't see more screen passes. I'm okay with Ryan now, but I suspect he'll have a relatively short career. He probably has about three years of productivity left.
                  Dammit. Just when I was feeling all warm and glowing, you had to remind me of pass catching backs...
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by pbmax
                    Originally posted by Joemailman
                    My only issue with Grant is that he isn't a very good pass receiver. I suspect that is part of the reason we don't see more screen passes. I'm okay with Ryan now, but I suspect he'll have a relatively short career. He probably has about three years of productivity left.
                    Dammit. Just when I was feeling all warm and glowing, you had to remind me of pass catching backs...
                    we'll work on that?
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                    • #11
                      Grant is reliable. Wasn't there a stat thrown up at some point that showed since Adrian Peterson has gotten in the league, Ryan Grant is #2 in the NFL in rushing yards behind him?


                      Peterson - 915 - 4484 - 22
                      Jones - 931 - 3904 - 14
                      Jackson - 814 - 3460 - 23
                      Grant - 782 - 3412 - 23
                      Tomlinson- 830 - 3314 - 38
                      Gore - 729 - 3258 - 21
                      Johnson - 609 - 3234 - 23

                      After adding the stats over the last 3 years, these are the ONLY RB's over 3,000 yards. Of them, the special notes are that gore and up were indeed starters for all 3 years. Grant checks in at #4, despite only starting half a season where you could assume, if he was healthy, another 80 or so carries and 400 to 500 yards, which would easily bump him a spot. Also of note that Chris Johnson did this in only two years, so he is obviously at teh top of the list of best.

                      So if I had to list best RB's RIGHT NOW?

                      Adrian Peterson
                      Christ Johnson
                      Michael Turner
                      Thomas Jones
                      Ryan Grant
                      Frank Gore

                      Say what you want but the statistics do not lie. He has been one of the most consistent RB's in the league since he began starting, putting up numbers that are comparable with the best this league has to offer. If you were givena choice of Frank Gore or Ryan Grant, who would you pick? The numbers say... Ryan Grant.

                      So... why are we in fret to look for a Grant replacement? Like it or not, the guy is a top 10, maybe a fringe top 5 RB in this league.

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                      • #12
                        Chris Johnson is head and shoulders above everyone at the moment.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by 3irty1
                          Chris Johnson is head and shoulders above everyone at the moment.
                          Thats what they said after LT's 2k season, and AP's 1700 season. Yes, it was ONE really damn good year, but one year does not magically make you the best, which is why most still consider AP be the best as he has proven himself for 3 years now. Chris Johnson needs to put up numbers for more then one year to really be considered the best. The season before he was mediocre, finish with barely over 1k and in line with many of the average RB's in the league.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by packerbacker1234
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            Chris Johnson is head and shoulders above everyone at the moment.
                            Thats what they said after LT's 2k season, and AP's 1700 season. Yes, it was ONE really damn good year, but one year does not magically make you the best, which is why most still consider AP be the best as he has proven himself for 3 years now. Chris Johnson needs to put up numbers for more then one year to really be considered the best. The season before he was mediocre, finish with barely over 1k and in line with many of the average RB's in the league.
                            Johnson also only had 250 carries in '08 with a 4.9ypc. 9 carries over 20 yards. He was sharing time more with White in '08 than in '09. White had 200 carries in '08 and 64 in '09.

                            Johnson also had 43 catches in '08 and 50 in '09. If he doesn't get injured he looks like the real deal. I've never needed to put anyone as "the best in the league". Thats an impossible point to make, but Johnson is one hellova RB.
                            Originally posted by 3irty1
                            This is museum quality stupidity.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by packerbacker1234
                              So if I had to list best RB's RIGHT NOW?

                              Adrian Peterson
                              Chris Johnson
                              Michael Turner
                              Thomas Jones
                              Ryan Grant
                              Frank Gore
                              No Maurice Jones-Drew? He's probably my favorite RB in the league right now, in terms of his style, production, and attitude (Though I can't say that Chris Johnson wasn't more impressive last year.) I'd take MJD over Grant, though he'd be considerably more expensive.
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