Ryan Grant

[rbaloha1]

RG reminds of Dorsey Levens -- single's hitters. Unflashy with occasional homeruns.

As someone mentioned the Packers can win a super bowl with RG.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I didn’t feel like doing any real, actual work this morning, so I looked at the stats of the top 20 rushers from 2009

If I had any idea how to format these into a chart, I would!

Rk - Player - Team - Yds - TD - FUM - Year/Rnd/Pick
1 - Chris Johnson - TEN - 2006 - 14 - 3 - 2008/1/24
2 - Steven Jackson - STL - 1416 - 4 - 2 - 2004/1/24
3 - Thomas Jones - NYJ - 1402 - 14 - 2 - 2000/1/7
4 - Maurice Jones-Drew - JAC - 1391 - 15 - 2 - 2002/2/60
5 - Adrian Peterson - MIN - 1383 - 18 - 6 - 2007/1/7
6 - Ray Rice - BAL - 1339 - 7 - 2 - 2008/2/55
7 - Ryan Grant - GB - 1253 - 11 - 0 - 2005/Undrafted/
8 - Cedric Benson - CIN - 1251 - 6 - 1 - 2005/1/4
9 - Jonathan Stewart - CAR - 1133 - 10 - 3 - 2008/1/13
10 - Ricky Williams - MIA - 1121 - 11 - 4 - 1999/1/5
11 - Frank Gore - SF - 1120 - 10 - 4 - 2005/3/65
11 - Jamaal Charles - KC - 1120 - 7 - 2 - 2008/3/73
13 - DeAngelo Williams - CAR - 1117 - 7 - 3 - 2006/1/27
14 - Rashard Mendenhall - PIT - 1108 - 7 - 3 - 2008/1/23
15 - Fred Jackson - BUF - 1062 - 2 - 2 - 2003/Undrafted/
16 - Knowshon Moreno - DEN - 947 - 7 - 2 - 2009/1/12
17 - Marion Barber - DAL - 932 - 7 - 1 - 2005/4/109
18 - Matt Forte - CHI - 929 - 4 - 5 - 2008/2/44
19 - Michael Turner - ATL - 871 - 10 - 4 - 2005/5/154
20 - Jerome Harrison - CLE - 862 - 5 - 2 - 2006/5/145


- 10 were drafted in the first round, 15 in the first three
- Grant was the only top ten rusher NOT picked in the first two rounds
- of the top 6 picks, two were drafted at #7 overall, two at #24overall (top two rushers last year) and the other two at #55 & #56
- There were only two undrafted, Grant the only in the top 14
- 15 were in their first 5 seasons in the league (indicating a short life span of RB’s in the league)
- None had played more than 10 seasons (Ricky Williams was drafted in 1999 however.)
- AP & Michael Turner averaged a TD every17. attempts, Chris Johnson & Grant every 26 attempts, Forte every 65 attempts
- Turner fumbled ever 45 carries, Forte & Peterson every 52, Chris Johson & Fred Jackson every 119, Benson only put it down once, and of course Grant did not fumble

[mission]

I think the variable that our offensive passing attack is quite potent and obviously at the forefront of opponent's attention has something to do with his statistics. Can't imagine a single defense coming to town after a week of game planning to shut down Ryan Grant.

Not saying cut the guy but there's two sides to every story. He's good, pretty dang good, but not Top 5 good IMO.

[Mazzin]

Like I said my only real problem is his lack of receiving skills. With our deadly passing game could you imagen if we could actually aquire a screen game? It would be scary good. That being said I doubt we will be a great screen team with mark and chad playing tackle.

[BobDobbs]

I didn’t feel like doing any real, actual work this morning, so I looked at the stats of the top 20 rushers from 2009

If I had any idea how to format these into a chart, I would!

Rk - Player - Team - Yds - TD - FUM - Year/Rnd/Pick
1 - Chris Johnson - TEN - 2006 - 14 - 3 - 2008/1/24
2 - Steven Jackson - STL - 1416 - 4 - 2 - 2004/1/24
3 - Thomas Jones - NYJ - 1402 - 14 - 2 - 2000/1/7
4 - Maurice Jones-Drew - JAC - 1391 - 15 - 2 - 2002/2/60
5 - Adrian Peterson - MIN - 1383 - 18 - 6 - 2007/1/7
6 - Ray Rice - BAL - 1339 - 7 - 2 - 2008/2/55
7 - Ryan Grant - GB - 1253 - 11 - 0 - 2005/Undrafted/
8 - Cedric Benson - CIN - 1251 - 6 - 1 - 2005/1/4
9 - Jonathan Stewart - CAR - 1133 - 10 - 3 - 2008/1/13
10 - Ricky Williams - MIA - 1121 - 11 - 4 - 1999/1/5
11 - Frank Gore - SF - 1120 - 10 - 4 - 2005/3/65
11 - Jamaal Charles - KC - 1120 - 7 - 2 - 2008/3/73
13 - DeAngelo Williams - CAR - 1117 - 7 - 3 - 2006/1/27
14 - Rashard Mendenhall - PIT - 1108 - 7 - 3 - 2008/1/23
15 - Fred Jackson - BUF - 1062 - 2 - 2 - 2003/Undrafted/
16 - Knowshon Moreno - DEN - 947 - 7 - 2 - 2009/1/12
17 - Marion Barber - DAL - 932 - 7 - 1 - 2005/4/109
18 - Matt Forte - CHI - 929 - 4 - 5 - 2008/2/44
19 - Michael Turner - ATL - 871 - 10 - 4 - 2005/5/154
20 - Jerome Harrison - CLE - 862 - 5 - 2 - 2006/5/145


- 10 were drafted in the first round, 15 in the first three
- Grant was the only top ten rusher NOT picked in the first two rounds
- of the top 6 picks, two were drafted at #7 overall, two at #24overall (top two rushers last year) and the other two at #55 & #56
- There were only two undrafted, Grant the only in the top 14

That's interesting, I think I had bought into the line of thought that you don't need to draft a back very high, because there's a bunch of guys that can do it, so you might as well save the picks. I think we really got lucky to get Grant as cheaply as we did.

[Brandon494]

Grant is not as good as his numbers show. Teams are focusing on stopping Aaron Rodgers and the passing game, they arent focusing on Grant because he has limited moves and is a below average pass catcher. Now he is a top 15 back in the league for sure but top 8 he is pushing it.

Here are a few RBs I would prefer over Grant....

Chris Johnson
Steven Jackson
Maurice Jones-Drews
Adrian Peterson
Ray Rice
Frank Gore
DeAngelo Williams
Michael Turner
Pierre Thomas
Jamaal Charles- know he has only done it for one year but is only 23.
Jonathan Stewart
Ronnie Brown- might take him off my list only because of injuries.
Felix Jones- this guy was stuck behind McFadden in college and now Barber in the NFL. If he had the chance to be a #1 back I think he could be a star, kinda like when Turner left SD.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

I think you are letting your disdain for RG cloud your vision Brandon. You've been playing too much madden.

Pierre Thomas? really? a platoon back that had a great offensive line in front of him.

The same could be said of Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams. Neither one see 20+ carries. Grant does the heavy lifting on his own.

Ronnie Brown? Mr. Torn ACL....now you are just reaching

Jamaal Charles and Felix Jones jr. as feature backs? Yea...if only we still played in college(like that would matter to fragile Felix).

Frank Gore has injury concerns. Ray Rice runs behind one of the most massive and best run blocking lines out there.

Now I think you just reached for most of these, but come on man! Show RG some love. He deserves it.

[Brandon494]

I think you are letting your disdain for RG cloud your vision Brandon. You've been playing too much madden.

Pierre Thomas? really? a platoon back that had a great offensive line in front of him.

The same could be said of Jonathan Stewart or DeAngelo Williams. Neither one see 20+ carries. Grant does the heavy lifting on his own.

Ronnie Brown? Mr. Torn ACL....now you are just reaching

Jamaal Charles and Felix Jones jr. as feature backs? Yea...if only we still played in college(like that would matter to fragile Felix).

Frank Gore has injury concerns. Ray Rice runs behind one of the most massive and best run blocking lines out there.

Now I think you just reached for most of these, but come on man! Show RG some love. He deserves it.

What is all this talk about me disliking Grant? Also you might want to do some research on those guys before you make commenta about them.

Pierre Thomas might split carries with Bush but when he does get the rock runs with great balance and power and hes a good reciever out of the backfield unlike Grant.

If you don't think Stewart and Williams are more talented backs than Grant then you must not watch much football man. Stewart was only 120 yards behind Grant last season with 61 less carries, and thats with teams actually focusing on stoping the run against the Panthers with Delhomme at QB. Willams also had 1117 yards on 216 carries.

Like I said I might take Grant over Brown because of injuries but when he is heathly its not even close.

Might want to check out some Chief games because Charles is a stud. 1120 yards on 190 carries at the age of 23 on one of the worst teams in the league. Rushed for 259 yards last game of the season against the Broncos, yea he is a featured back.

I'm not going to bother defending why Gore or Rice are better.

Listen I like Grant and I'm happy with him as our starter but take off the G&G glasses for a second. This is the same back that ran under 4 years per carry in 08 and only had 3 games last season where he ran over 100 yards. He is not a top 10 back like some are making him out to be.

[packerbacker1234]

[quote="Brandon494"]

I think you are He is not a top 10 back like some are making him out to be.

Every statistical category disagree's with you. Add on the fact I think he was the only full time feature back (not a split carry back) without a fumble and it only increases his value that much more.

[Tony Oday]

[quote="packerbacker1234"]

I think you are He is not a top 10 back like some are making him out to be.

Every statistical category disagree's with you. Add on the fact I think he was the only full time feature back (not a split carry back) without a fumble and it only increases his value that much more.

Hes got you there...no fumbles and the guy that carries the load on his own. Thomas, though I like him, also splits carries and can you really say teams key on him?

[Brandon494]

[quote="Tony Oday"]

I think you are He is not a top 10 back like some are making him out to be.

Every statistical category disagree's with you. Add on the fact I think he was the only full time feature back (not a split carry back) without a fumble and it only increases his value that much more.

Hes got you there...no fumbles and the guy that carries the load on his own. Thomas, though I like him, also splits carries and can you really say teams key on him?

Only reason Grant didn't split any time was because we have no other RBs on the roster. Brandon Jackson is a joke at RB and he is injuried most of the time. I agree with you that Grant is great at holding on to the ball but that doesn't make him better than those RBs I listed. If thats the case I guess you would rather have Grant than Ahman Green in his prime.

[RashanGary]

I'd say Grant is a solid top 20 RB with the way he runs. Add his durability and ball security and he's a top 15 RB.


I'm not in any hurry to replace him, but if an opportunity comes up to get a great RB, I'd take it. There is room for another back here, even with Grant. He just won't get as many carries is all.

[Gunakor]

[quote="Brandon494"]

I think you are He is not a top 10 back like some are making him out to be.

Every statistical category disagree's with you. Add on the fact I think he was the only full time feature back (not a split carry back) without a fumble and it only increases his value that much more.

Hes got you there...no fumbles and the guy that carries the load on his own. Thomas, though I like him, also splits carries and can you really say teams key on him?

Only reason Grant didn't split any time was because we have no other RBs on the roster. Brandon Jackson is a joke at RB and he is injuried most of the time. I agree with you that Grant is great at holding on to the ball but that doesn't make him better than those RBs I listed. If thats the case I guess you would rather have Grant than Ahman Green in his prime.

If Green's "prime" is his 1800 yard season alone then you're right. But I'd rather have 1200 yard 0 fumble Grant than Green's 1300 yard 6+ fumble seasons that Green put up regularly during his time here.

[Gunakor]

I'm not in any hurry to replace him, but if an opportunity comes up to get a great RB, I'd take it. There is room for another back here, even with Grant. He just won't get as many carries is all.

Grant is more effective the more carries he gets. The team wins more games the more carries he gets. I do not understand people's obsession with a 2 RB system when we have a starting RB who is most effective in a workhorse role. He needs his 25+ carries per game.

[Brandon494]

I'm not in any hurry to replace him, but if an opportunity comes up to get a great RB, I'd take it. There is room for another back here, even with Grant. He just won't get as many carries is all.

Grant is more effective the more carries he gets. The team wins more games the more carries he gets. I do not understand people's obsession with a 2 RB system when we have a starting RB who is most effective in a workhorse role. He needs his 25+ carries per game.

Because if he gets injuried then we are screwed, I dont understand your obsession with not having another RB to take some of the load off of Grant. No one is saying he needs to be replaced but damn we need some depth at the position.