Pickett Crash Victim: We are not OK.

[Rastak]

Bottom line? When you are driving down the road with the right of way you should not have someone pull out directly in front of you. Case closed. Pickett isn't a bad guy I'm sure, it was just an accident but it sounds like HE fucked up and some people got hurt.

Sure, but accidents happen every day. People buy liability insurance for this reason. In fact, in some states you are required to have it. The victims should get their medical bills paid for and whatever costs they directly incurred from this. Not a penny more. Not a penny less. End of discussion.

Well, I wonder what tune you'd be singing if it were your wife in rehab for months becuase someone else wasn't paying attention.

I didn't see the police report and I do have sympathy for Pickett in the sense that it was an accident, and could have happened to anyone.

Ryan's insurance is GOING to have to cough up for their pain if he fucked up. Like it or not.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They should cough up for the medical costs and any direct costs. That's what we pay liability insurance for. Anything more than that is just a bunch of bullshit--whether it's me or my wife or whomever. I love how people try to turn it around like that, and make it more personal. If I were the victim, I would want what is fair. I wouldn't be looking to fleece the hell out of somebody. Maybe my standards are just a little higher than the "get rich" folks out there.

I have had a situation relatively similar (although more minor as I only took some stitches to the chops) where I had the choice between doing what I thought was fair or doing something that could have made me more money. I choice the fair route.

[HarveyWallbangers]

And about now, this has turned away from being a Packers discussion.

The Pickett Fence is a bad driver.

[the_idle_threat]

I don't believe for one second the insinuation this victim made that she has not yet met with an attorney. This interview sounds so scripted in terms of fault, damages etc. that she must have at least spoken with an attorney, who told her to get the story out to counter the news stories saying there were only minor injuries. I don't think this was the handiwork of the reporter.

[Rastak]

They should cough up for the medical costs and any direct costs. That's what we pay liability insurance for. Anything more than that is just a bunch of bullshit--whether it's me or my wife or whomever. I love how people try to turn it around like that, and make it more personal. If I were the victim, I would want what is fair. I wouldn't be looking to fleece the hell out of somebody. Maybe my standards are just a little higher than the "get rich" folks out there.

I have had a situation relatively similar (although more minor as I only took some stitches to the chops) where I had the choice between doing what I thought was fair or doing something that could have made me more money. I choice the fair route.

Who the flying fuck said anyone was fleecing the hell out of someone, man you sure jump to conclusions. And most don't need to have it brought personal. A guy normally can see it objectively without that. If someone through their negligence causes you great harm, and I sure as hell would call this great harm, then you may be due damages....I hope karma doesn't hit you on this one. You wouldn't like it.

[Joemailman]

Harvey,

If a negligent driver slammed his vehicle into me and made it impossible for me to do my job, which includes walking 10 miles a day, I think I'd be due more than direct medical costs.

[the_idle_threat]

I tend to agree with Harvey.

There is no argument that lost wages are legitimate costs, in addition to medical bills. Future medical costs and future lost wages are hard to estimate, but those should be considered as well.

I think what sticks in people's collective craw are the "pain and suffering" and "loss of consortium" (read: bullshit) damages that come up. These are lottery-type claims.

How much money---beyond payment for past, current, and future medical costs as already considered---will "cure" your pain and suffering and loss of consortium? No amount of money. And that is exactly what those claims are worth.

[GBRulz]

I think what Harvey is trying to say is that it's BS that people get in a car accident and have the attitude about being set for life with the cash they will receive out of it by suing someone.

Anyhow, there is a median on Lombardi Ave to help cars make left hand turns. Where there isn't a median, you'll find signs that forbid making left hand turns. That really isn't a factor in this accident, but medians do help ease cars wanting to make left turns....instead of darting both lines of incoming traffic, you can do one at a time, so to speak.

Personally, I have witnessed players several times not coming to a stop before turning out of the stadium. It has nothing to do with the design of the parking lot, blocking of scenery, etc. No way should the packers get sued, it's about the players lack of responsibility.

Now from a players standpoint, I have also seen fans run after their vehicles and I don't blame the players for trying to make a quick getaway.

The speed limit on that area of Lombardi is 35 mph and people are pretty good about abiding by it. in fact, it's almost the opposite, people slow down to see the stadium (damn tourists) and drive 20 mph. I have a hell of a hard time believing the extent of her injuries had she been abiding by the speed limit.

Anyhow, about the story, I think it stinks and has lawyer bait written all over it.

[GBRulz]

I'm sure that Pickett was driving an Escalade or a Hummer or something huge, because he is huge. I don't think that it would take much to mess up a dodge spirit, that thing was smaller that the Neon. I could probably lift the back end myself. I imagine you would need a shoe horn and a tub of crisco to get the three people in the car in the first place.

This isn't exactly what I would consider a compact car. It is actually quite a bit bigger than a Neon.

She had to be moving at a pretty good clip for the "engine to be in the front seat" or whatever she said.

[GrnBay007]

Hope it all gets resolved quickly and the people injured heal quickly and completely. Now, that being said, I think what she said to the press sounded very tacky....made her sound like a gold digger.

[Guiness]

I'm going to stay out of the suing discussion - I'm the other Canadian on the board, so it would be strickly an 'outsiders' view.

What I will comment on is the extent of the injuries - some people have said that they couldn't be caused at the posted speed of 35mph. They certainly could have! 35mph is plenty of speed to do a lot of damage, especially if the front of the car only half hit Picket's vehicle - those types of crashes tend to be the worst.

Has anyone ever been in one of those police demonstration contraptions? They put a seat belt on you, and run a 'sled' to a dead stop from about 4mph. You'll be left with a nice bruise on your chest, and difficulty breathing for an hour or so. At 4mph!

One question I do have - is there a seatbelt law in Wi? If they also didn't have on seatbelts (not mentioned anywhere, that I can see) these types of injuries could've easily occured.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Who the flying fuck said anyone was fleecing the hell out of someone, man you sure jump to conclusions. And most don't need to have it brought personal. A guy normally can see it objectively without that. If someone through their negligence causes you great harm, and I sure as hell would call this great harm, then you may be due damages....I hope karma doesn't hit you on this one. You wouldn't like it.

When the hell did I say the victims shouldn't get damages? I clearly stated their medical bills should get paid for, and by "direct costs" I mean any work time they may miss out on should get reimbursed. I'm talking about anything more than that. I'm talking the "golden cow" sue job that you often see in these types of situations. People that shoot for settlements for hundreds of thousands or sometimes even millions. I hope karma doesn't hit you in the face on this one. I've already been whacked pretty good on a motorcycle--when the person was negligent. They parked in the opposite direction you are supposed to on the rightside of the street and pulled out from behind a van in front of me. I swerved to miss them, and ate some concrete (no helmet--which was legal). I didn't even make a claim. I had the person pay my medical bills (8 stitches to the face) out of pocket. I just wish people would quit "shooting for the moon." You can't tell me it's not affecting insurance premiums.

This person sure sounds like they are angling for a big payout. I find it hard to believe that all of these injuries are as bad as she's making them out to be--when three of the victims were out of the hospital by the next day. Maybe they are badly injured. I hope they get enough to pay for the damages, and not a penny more.

[the_idle_threat]

One question I do have - is there a seatbelt law in Wi? If they also didn't have on seatbelts (not mentioned anywhere, that I can see) these types of injuries could've easily occured.

WI does have a mandatory seatbelt law.

[mraynrand]

I would bet $50 that the other driver was going over the speed limit.

Probably the most surprising thing about the whole story is that a Spirit was going 35 mph. I would have bet $50 tht the car couldn't get up past 25mph.

[Rastak]

This person sure sounds like they are angling for a big payout. I find it hard to believe that all of these injuries are as bad as she's making them out to be--when three of the victims were out of the hospital by the next day. Maybe they are badly injured. I hope they get enough to pay for the damages, and not a penny more.

You assume alot from just reading one article, that's all I'll say. If they come out and say we want 50 million dollars then I'll be on your side. I'm not getting outraged here because there is no reason too. I don't think Pickett is a bad guy because of this nor do I think these other people are a bunch of jerks like you seem to insinuate.