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    Offensive Tackles

    There's a need to find someone to groom to take over for Clifton, and many folks on this board mention that they hope a Bulage will fall to the pack. But what about Charles Brown of USC? Here's a blurb about him from the GBPG: "Brown (6-5 1/8, 297) had a 32-inch vertical jump and 8-5 broad jump, which are both good for a left tackle, and he has extremely long arms at 34 5/8 inches. He figures to go late in the first round or early in the second."

    Anybody know much about the guy? Could TT trade down (if he can find a taker) and get this guy? Does he have the skills and motivation to succeed?

    And does anyone think Iupati or Pouncey are worth taking to shore up the inside and permanently move Lang over to RT?
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

    KYPack
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    Re: Offensive Tackles

    Originally posted by Fritz
    There's a need to find someone to groom to take over for Clifton, and many folks on this board mention that they hope a Bulage will fall to the pack. But what about Charles Brown of USC? Here's a blurb about him from the GBPG: "Brown (6-5 1/8, 297) had a 32-inch vertical jump and 8-5 broad jump, which are both good for a left tackle, and he has extremely long arms at 34 5/8 inches. He figures to go late in the first round or early in the second."

    Anybody know much about the guy? Could TT trade down (if he can find a taker) and get this guy? Does he have the skills and motivation to succeed?

    And does anyone think Iupati or Pouncey are worth taking to shore up the inside and permanently move Lang over to RT?
    I'm going to work backwards here....

    Iupati and Pouncey. Everything I've read about these 2 are they are "sure" picks at C/G. I'm an OL guy...love monster guys which these 2 figure to be, but I HATE taking a C/G in round 1. It's just not glamorous. That being said one of my favorite packers was Aaron Taylor. If we took one of those 2, I think we could put Lang at RT...but I still think Lang's future is at Guard...he's a nasty player, needs to be inside.

    Tackles...Charles Brown is one of those guys I've read about that I do like for us at 23. One report I read said, "While Anthony Davis and Bruce Campbell will wow you, and impress you enough for them to go high, Charles Brown is a good, solid player that will step on a team day one and start on their OL, and be there for the next 10 years." Compared him heavily to Baker in ATL who is also a USC guy, and he's pretty dang good. USA Today's Draft Magazine has us looking towards him.
    "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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    • #3
      I like this. He might be a very solid pick.
      "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

      KYPack

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      • #4
        Is he athletic enough? NFL Network reported his 40 time was like 5.3, so it made me think that he might not be mobile enough for the ZBS.
        "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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        • #5
          I don't know how much a 40 time indicates for a LT, but Brown is athletic enough for the ZBS. He's built for the ZBS.

          From NFL Draft Countdown. I don't buy a couple of the weankesses, other than he's not strong enough yet - and those that derive from that.

          Strengths:
          Great height --- Really long arms --- Has a frame that can accommodate more weight --- Excellent athlete --- Quick and agile --- Nimble feet --- A natural knee bender --- Slides well laterally and can mirror --- Excels in pass pro --- Terrific range to pull and get to the second level --- Gives good effort --- Decent instincts and awareness --- Considerable upside.

          Weaknesses:
          Raw as a technician --- Needs to continue bulking up --- Not real tough or physical --- Isn't very strong --- Questionable balance --- Doesn't always use proper leverage --- Has trouble sustaining blocks --- Does not protect the edge as well as he should --- Isn't stout at the point of attack --- Will not get a huge push in the run game --- Lacks versatility.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by vince
            I don't know how much a 40 time indicates for a LT, but Brown is athletic enough for the ZBS. He's built for the ZBS.

            From NFL Draft Countdown. I don't buy a couple of the weankesses, other than he's not strong enough yet - and those that derive from that.

            Strengths:
            Great height --- Really long arms --- Has a frame that can accommodate more weight --- Excellent athlete --- Quick and agile --- Nimble feet --- A natural knee bender --- Slides well laterally and can mirror --- Excels in pass pro --- Terrific range to pull and get to the second level --- Gives good effort --- Decent instincts and awareness --- Considerable upside.

            Weaknesses:
            Raw as a technician --- Needs to continue bulking up --- Not real tough or physical --- Isn't very strong --- Questionable balance --- Doesn't always use proper leverage --- Has trouble sustaining blocks --- Does not protect the edge as well as he should --- Isn't stout at the point of attack --- Will not get a huge push in the run game --- Lacks versatility.

            I put in bold the one quality you cannot teach that makes offensive lineman very very good.
            "I would love to have a guy that always gets the key hit, a pitcher that always makes his best pitch and a manager that can always make the right decision. The problem is getting him to put down his beer and come out of the stands and do those things." - Danny Murraugh

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vince
              Strengths:
              Great height --- Really long arms --- Has a frame that can accommodate more weight --- Excellent athlete --- Quick and agile --- Nimble feet --- A natural knee bender --- Slides well laterally and can mirror --- Excels in pass pro --- Terrific range to pull and get to the second level --- Gives good effort --- Decent instincts and awareness --- Considerable upside.

              Weaknesses:
              Raw as a technician --- Needs to continue bulking up --- Not real tough or physical --- Isn't very strong --- Questionable balance --- Doesn't always use proper leverage --- Has trouble sustaining blocks --- Does not protect the edge as well as he should --- Isn't stout at the point of attack --- Will not get a huge push in the run game --- Lacks versatility.
              So it sounds like he needs an NFL strength and conditioning (very doable) and some good coaching (shit we're screwed there) and he will be a good LT.

              I like the sound of him better than Mays. Picking a guy at 23 who is projected at ~30 is hardly reaching, and not worth the risk of trading down if you want him and he is still there.
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              • #8



                This is sort of odd-ball, speculation, but that guy doesn't look naturally big. His body fat is too low, almost like he's all performance enhancers.

                I don't know, I've never seen a great OL look like that.


                But yeah, I like him better than Mays, even if he is all performance enhancer. At least he was a really good player in college. That bodes well for him.
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                • #9
                  I'm watching Path to the Draft on NFL Network right now.

                  They were debating how soon Anthony Davis would go

                  PRO'S
                  Great Talent
                  Physical specimen
                  Loaded with upside

                  CONS
                  Immature
                  Past Weight Issues
                  A bit raw and may not have understanding of how hard he'll have to work


                  Overall they think he'll probably be drafted in the 10-15 range but they felt he was more of a guy worthy of being drafted in the 20's

                  Being a Big Ten guy, I'm still hoping for the IOWA OT if we draft one in round one or the Indiana OT in round two
                  TERD Buckley over Troy Vincent, Robert Ferguson over Chris Chambers, Kevn King instead of TJ Watt, and now, RICH GANNON, over JIMMY JIMMY JIMMY LEONARD. Thank you FLOWER

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                    Is he athletic enough? NFL Network reported his 40 time was like 5.3, so it made me think that he might not be mobile enough for the ZBS.
                    he's a converted TE, so he should be athletic enough. and because of that he's raw at tackle and a little small for the position(but could fill out)

                    i've read he can be lazy at times, but overall i wouldn't mind picking him. draft him and let him be a back up for a year or two to master the position. i think he could turn into a solid LT.

                    i also wouldn't mind drafting iupati or pouncey in the 1st. but there's a slim chance both could be gone by then

                    with a choice like that you're looking at either drafting the 5th tackle in the draft or so, or drafting the best guard or center this year

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                    • #11
                      I've posted it before...

                      I'd draft Pouncey. I've watched him at Florida. He's a natural. A high character guy. Scouts say he'll be an All-Pro Center, and be top notch for a decade. Our current Centers are injury question marks and not All-Pro material.

                      Why not draft him?
                      One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Maxie the Taxi
                        I've posted it before...

                        I'd draft Pouncey. I've watched him at Florida. He's a natural. A high character guy. Scouts say he'll be an All-Pro Center, and be top notch for a decade. Our current Centers are injury question marks and not All-Pro material.

                        Why not draft him?
                        Because our center was not the reason we allowed the most sacks in the NFL.

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                        • #13
                          Well, the Pack went with Jamaal Reynolds at #10 and with the Packers' pick the Seahawks went with some guard named Steve Hutchinson.

                          If a guy's going to lock down a position for ten years, versus a guy who may or may not work out, you go with the lock down.
                          "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

                          KYPack

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                          • #14
                            I have to say, from what I saw of Charlie Brown, he looked kind of small to me, but then again, Clifton isn't that big either, that doesn't mean he isn't good, but I would rate guys like Pouncey and Iupati ahead of him.
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                            • #15
                              Does anyone have a complete set of numbers from Charles Brown? He apparently didn't do all the combine workouts. nfldraftscout.com has him running a 5.2 but no splits.

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