Jason Taylor to Jets!

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It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

+1

our own GBP did the same kind of things as they matured from 94-96'. added guys like Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson, Gilbert Brown, Don Beebe, (Rison and Ron Cox after injuries, both starters in the SB). Had drafted most of the OL, Freeman, Brooks and Chewie, Hentrich and Jacke, Levens and Henderson, most of the secondary. Favre through a trade and Reggie as a FA. hardly a non hodge-podged team. bunch of great moves, did we fail if we lost in 96'?

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It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

im just saying measuring the two seasons from a literal standpoint. the team made it 'here' last year because they rallied around their coach and played unselfish football. will that happen next year? probably not you said, and that's my point. it's a different team... with probably more talent. just old dogs with old, really good tricks. ryan had his guys playing HIS way last year (his tricks), all the way, and that's why it worked.

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and i completely forgot about the the brett favre torn biceps excuse... if he was so hurt, he should have put his "record" on the shelf for the betterment of his team. anyway you want to slice it, they didn't make the playoffs -- the move didn't work out for them.

no it didn't because his arm gave out. last year pretty much solidified the fact that he was actually hurt and was not BSing us with excuses, did it not? i don't see how his arm giving out when it had shown zero signs of it in GB before the trade made it a dumb move for the jets. that would be like saying the bears picking up peppers was a failed move if he blows an ACL in week 12 after posting 15 sacks in the first 11 games. why they didn't shelf him? maybe because the whole biceps injury didn't become a public issue until AFTER the season was over.

[mission]

It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

+1

our own GBP did the same kind of things as they matured from 94-96'. added guys like Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson, Gilbert Brown, Don Beebe, (Rison and Ron Cox after injuries, both starters in the SB). Had drafted most of the OL, Freeman, Brooks and Chewie, Hentrich and Jacke, Levens and Henderson, most of the secondary. Favre through a trade and Reggie as a FA. hardly a non hodge-podged team. bunch of great moves, did we fail if we lost in 96'?

those guys weren't literally one bad test/infraction from being suspended for an entire season; another guy getting quoted on radio about his "oh well i have to come here now" attitude; another guy with 38 kids and crazy legal problems... etc etc

granted guys like rison had question marks coming in but imo nothing compared to where santonio holmes is at right now if you've been following closely

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and i completely forgot about the the brett favre torn biceps excuse... if he was so hurt, he should have put his "record" on the shelf for the betterment of his team. anyway you want to slice it, they didn't make the playoffs -- the move didn't work out for them.

no it didn't because his arm gave out. last year pretty much solidified the fact that he was actually hurt and was not BSing us with excuses, did it not? i don't see how his arm giving out when it had shown zero signs of it in GB before the trade made it a dumb move for the jets. why they didn't shelf him? maybe because the whole biceps injury didn't become a public issue until AFTER the season was over.

the sum of favre (you don't just get the onfield QB) came back to bite them in the ass... him being him refused to communicate (to coaches) and that's WHY it wasn't public during the season. you honestly think favre was going to sit any games??? no way. it sold tickets/jerseys and got the franchise excited about football again but it wasn't what they thought it was going to be.

he played awesome last year... playing indoors and the adrian peterson focus allowed him to be him on the field. much better situation for him, and for the vikings. no doubt about it.

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It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

+1

our own GBP did the same kind of things as they matured from 94-96'. added guys like Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson, Gilbert Brown, Don Beebe, (Rison and Ron Cox after injuries, both starters in the SB). Had drafted most of the OL, Freeman, Brooks and Chewie, Hentrich and Jacke, Levens and Henderson, most of the secondary. Favre through a trade and Reggie as a FA. hardly a non hodge-podged team. bunch of great moves, did we fail if we lost in 96'?

those guys weren't literally one bad test/infraction from being suspended for an entire season; another guy getting quoted on radio about his "oh well i have to come here now" attitude; another guy with 38 kids and crazy legal problems... etc etc

granted guys like rison had question marks coming in but imo nothing compared to where santonio holmes is at right now if you've been following closely

IF they gave up a 3rd rounder for holmes, dumb. they didn't. a 1st or 2nd rd pck to pair Crom with Revis, questionable. but they gave up a 2011 3rd rd pick for Cromartie, that might be the end of the 3rd rd. Taylor got what amounts to a one year 3.75M deal, LT got less per year. are any of these giving away the farm?

and how many of the packer FAs back before the SB wrere jumping up and down to come to GB?

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Tomlinson for Jones is the one substitution that doesn't help them IMO. But they seem to have everything else in place to make a strong run at winning their division and even getting homefield advantage for the playoffs. The big question mark is, does Sanchez's development continue smoothly or does he have a sophomore slump?

i had forgotten they let jones go, i don't like this move either.

it's just a real gambling mentality... not quite as calculated as the nfl is traditionally used to.

jones for LT? where's the logic? might be a better move, but man, it's hard to bet on it.

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It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

+1

our own GBP did the same kind of things as they matured from 94-96'. added guys like Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson, Gilbert Brown, Don Beebe, (Rison and Ron Cox after injuries, both starters in the SB). Had drafted most of the OL, Freeman, Brooks and Chewie, Hentrich and Jacke, Levens and Henderson, most of the secondary. Favre through a trade and Reggie as a FA. hardly a non hodge-podged team. bunch of great moves, did we fail if we lost in 96'?

those guys weren't literally one bad test/infraction from being suspended for an entire season; another guy getting quoted on radio about his "oh well i have to come here now" attitude; another guy with 38 kids and crazy legal problems... etc etc

granted guys like rison had question marks coming in but imo nothing compared to where santonio holmes is at right now if you've been following closely

IF they gave up a 3rd rounder for holmes, dumb. they didn't. a 1st or 2nd rd pck to pair Crom with Revis, questionable. but they gave up a 2011 3rd rd pick for Cromartie, that might be the end of the 3rd rd. Taylor got what amounts to a one year 3.75M deal, LT got less per year. are any of these giving away the farm?

and how many of the packer FAs back before the SB wrere jumping up and down to come to GB?

i get the value (steal at face value i agree)... it's more about the team chemistry to me, buying into Ryanism. how will this affect the completely unselfish nature of the locker room? is it going to be the same 'no bullshit' vibe?

(i think our argument is getting to that end, round-and-round point lol)

as far as our guys, you're probably right but none were this vocal about it publicly AFAIR (made that up i think)

[twoseven]

It is pretty clear that Ryan's shit worked last year. They way overachieved. Will it continue? No idea, his shit always sounded hollow to me. bragging vs. confidence...

Bringing in some common sense free agents to take a shot seems prudent to me. Why not?

I totally disagree that missing the SB makes this season a failure. Quite the opposite actually. Continued progress and another playoff berth where they play well, get the younger players ready for this in the future. It starts a pattern. The "pattern" leads to the SB.

If they were dumping young promising guys for older established FA's I'd agree that's stupid, but they aren't. Maybe they are sacrificing a few young development positions, but for a shot? I think it's worth the risk.

+1

our own GBP did the same kind of things as they matured from 94-96'. added guys like Sean Jones, Santana Dotson, Keith Jackson, Desmond Howard, Eugene Robinson, Gilbert Brown, Don Beebe, (Rison and Ron Cox after injuries, both starters in the SB). Had drafted most of the OL, Freeman, Brooks and Chewie, Hentrich and Jacke, Levens and Henderson, most of the secondary. Favre through a trade and Reggie as a FA. hardly a non hodge-podged team. bunch of great moves, did we fail if we lost in 96'?

those guys weren't literally one bad test/infraction from being suspended for an entire season; another guy getting quoted on radio about his "oh well i have to come here now" attitude; another guy with 38 kids and crazy legal problems... etc etc

granted guys like rison had question marks coming in but imo nothing compared to where santonio holmes is at right now if you've been following closely

IF they gave up a 3rd rounder for holmes, dumb. they didn't. a 1st or 2nd rd pck to pair Crom with Revis, questionable. but they gave up a 2011 3rd rd pick for Cromartie, that might be the end of the 3rd rd. Taylor got what amounts to a one year 3.75M deal, LT got less per year. are any of these giving away the farm?

and how many of the packer FAs back before the SB wrere jumping up and down to come to GB?

i get the value (steal at face value i agree)... it's more about the team chemistry to me, buying into Ryanism. how will this affect the completely unselfish nature of the locker room? is it going to be the same 'no bullshit' vibe?

(i think our argument is getting to that end, round-and-round point lol)

as far as our guys, you're probably right but none were this vocal about it publicly AFAIR (made that up i think)

i don't like arguing with the normal, decent posters on this forum like you. i can see you are not a fan of the Jets, i just admire that they have made similiar good moves to ours since 2005 and have been rewarded as we have with solid teams. they have just done it with more FA, taken chances on older guys like Jenkins and Faneca that have worked out. i like teams like the Jets to do well for the same reason i like the Cubs to do well, don't mind if they win.

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i don't like arguing with the normal, decent posters on this forum like you. i can see you are not a fan of the Jets, i just admire that they have made similiar good moves to ours since 2005 and have been rewarded as we have with solid teams. they have just done it with more FA, taken chances on older guys like Jenkins and Faneca that have worked out. i like teams like the Jets to do well for the same reason i like the Cubs to do well, don't mind if they win.

tbh, i secretly rooted for the jets last year and probably will again if it doesn't affect the pack. there's a lot to like about their organization. will be fun to watch either way.

now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

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i don't like arguing with the normal, decent posters on this forum like you. i can see you are not a fan of the Jets, i just admire that they have made similiar good moves to ours since 2005 and have been rewarded as we have with solid teams. they have just done it with more FA, taken chances on older guys like Jenkins and Faneca that have worked out. i like teams like the Jets to do well for the same reason i like the Cubs to do well, don't mind if they win.

tbh, i secretly rooted for the jets last year and probably will again if it doesn't affect the pack. there's a lot to like about their organization. will be fun to watch either way.

now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

i root for the cubs like i root for seniors with no bowel control (channeled Skinbasket with that one), i don't like them so much as i just feel sorry for them, it's been so long and you just want to see them stop sucking ass year after year cause for some reason it seems good for the game. that's why i root for the Jets when pushed, cause of that dumbass in his Jets Firehat getting the crowd going, that's good stuff. been a Mets fan since 84' and i can say with all my heart fuck the Braves. but Bobby Cox is one of the greats and Larry doesn't kick our ass like he used to. so to hell with the phillies.

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now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

Did you catch the SI article on how the Braves sandbagged the league with this kid? They had been scouting him since he was ELEVEN. His numbers were deliberately fudged to throw off other teams. This stuff gets pulled all the time in the local youth football league... young football studs dog their way through tryouts knowing that their best friend's dad will draft them late after picking other good players. I can't believe the Braves were able to pull this off at the big league level. #22 got drafted with what...the 13th pic? The Brewers had no clue who the kid was and drafted Matt LaPorta ahead of him.

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now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

Did you catch the SI article on how the Braves sandbagged the league with this kid? They had been scouting him since he was ELEVEN. His numbers were deliberately fudged to throw off other teams. This stuff gets pulled all the time in the local youth football league... young football studs dog their way through tryouts knowing that their best friend's dad will draft them late after picking other good players. I can't believe the Braves were able to pull this off at the big league level. #22 got drafted with what...the 13th pic? The Brewers had no clue who the kid was and drafted Matt LaPorta ahead of him.

No I haven't read that article, definitely interested tho! Never heard any of that ... on local radio they talked about he was so vocal as a high schooler about only wanting to play for the braves and that scared other teams off on signing him. supposedly he would have went to college to play ball instead if drafted by a team other than them.

Now the reason for those comments??? Haha it makes a bit more sense now if they were on the "cover up" and probably even paying him early (why not?). He's awesome though... and so humble, already doing tons of stuff for underprivileged locally... we love him.

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now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

Did you catch the SI article on how the Braves sandbagged the league with this kid? They had been scouting him since he was ELEVEN. His numbers were deliberately fudged to throw off other teams. This stuff gets pulled all the time in the local youth football league... young football studs dog their way through tryouts knowing that their best friend's dad will draft them late after picking other good players. I can't believe the Braves were able to pull this off at the big league level. #22 got drafted with what...the 13th pic? The Brewers had no clue who the kid was and drafted Matt LaPorta ahead of him.

No I haven't read that article, definitely interested tho! Never heard any of that ... on local radio they talked about he was so vocal as a high schooler about only wanting to play for the braves and that scared other teams off on signing him. supposedly he would have went to college to play ball instead if drafted by a team other than them.

Now the reason for those comments??? Haha it makes a bit more sense now if they were on the "cover up" and probably even paying him early (why not?). He's awesome though... and so humble, already doing tons of stuff for underprivileged locally... we love him.

I can believe that. He grew up wanting to be a Brave.

The last time I remember SI slobbering over a young man like this it was a kid named LeBron James.

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now i hate the cubs with everything ive got, but i understand the feeling. living in atlanta, it's hard not to be excited about the braves and the J-HEY KID BABBBBY!!! LOL I even got a Braves cap (for the games), something I never woulda thought possible. Love this kid #22... it might be a bit over your cubs alignment but im still a brewers fan

Did you catch the SI article on how the Braves sandbagged the league with this kid? They had been scouting him since he was ELEVEN. His numbers were deliberately fudged to throw off other teams. This stuff gets pulled all the time in the local youth football league... young football studs dog their way through tryouts knowing that their best friend's dad will draft them late after picking other good players. I can't believe the Braves were able to pull this off at the big league level. #22 got drafted with what...the 13th pic? The Brewers had no clue who the kid was and drafted Matt LaPorta ahead of him.

No I haven't read that article, definitely interested tho! Never heard any of that ... on local radio they talked about he was so vocal as a high schooler about only wanting to play for the braves and that scared other teams off on signing him. supposedly he would have went to college to play ball instead if drafted by a team other than them.

Now the reason for those comments??? Haha it makes a bit more sense now if they were on the "cover up" and probably even paying him early (why not?). He's awesome though... and so humble, already doing tons of stuff for underprivileged locally... we love him.

I can believe that. He grew up wanting to be a Brave.

The last time I remember SI slobbering over a young man like this it was a kid named LeBron James.

ya and the last guy to have 16 rbi after 13 games was ted williams :P