The Official 2010 NFL Draft Thread

[ND72]

some of these trades are interesting today....

Garrett Graham going to Houston? nice!

[Gunakor]

Crap, my corners are gone. Verner, Lindy and Thurmond were all good bets to be nickle backs at worst and really good starting cover corners at best.

My question is: Are any of these guys that much better than Lee and Underwood? Maybe marginally better or the same as Bush?

All better than Bush IMO; Bush is very limited upside. Wish he were a Titan

I have no idea about Lee; but he's stunk so far even when he has been healthy...for that short time. Underwood..have hopes for him to develop.

You mean that 2 weeks during Lee's rookie season he didn't look great? Cause I didn't see him healthy and on the field at all last year. While he hasn't been on the field I have to assume he was in attendance in the classroom. I think he'll be alright.

[vince]

Pittsburgh stockpiling OLB's. Worilds and now Gibson.

Vince, haha. You're really worried about that OLB, huh?

We have the best young 3-4 OLB in the game maybe and another 23 year old that came in as a rookie and looked like a legit NFL starter. We added pass rush on the DL and just the rest he'll provide for the other lineman will make them better pass rushers too.

I would have liked another OLB too, but you're ignoring how well Jones and Matthews played. Our starting OLB's are pretty good.

Yeah. I think it's our biggest weakness right now. The problem with our db's in the big games had a lot to do with not getting to the QB's. Jones is fine, but he's not a good enough pass rusher to keep other teams from sliding protection over to Matthews. If teams can scheme to stop Matthews, they cause our defense serious problems through the air.

[Bretsky]

Woodson is old and Harris isn't even guaranteed to be able to ever play again, let alone play well. Oh and he's old too.

Having prospects and having prospects that have actually shown something are two different things. At WR, we' have prospects that have shown something. At CB, we have prospects that have failed with every chance, although injury plays a part in that too.

I'd be pretty surprised if Harris at least isn't a solid #3 there. If you rehab the ACL it normally won't end a career of a lighter player. I'm fine with stockpiling the secondary too but I'd much rather have a pass rushign specialist. Then they don't have to cover as long

[Maxie the Taxi]

Yeah, but the problem is, when we drafted Lee and Underwood everyone was high on them, as high as we are on some of the CB's in this draft. If Lee and Underwood haven't had enough playing time or have been hurt, who's to say this year's crop -- especially in the later rounds -- are better than what we've got (Bush excepted)?

[Bretsky]

some of these trades are interesting today....

Garrett Graham going to Houston? nice!

That's awesome. Two TE's from WI there now

[Fritz]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

[Gunakor]

Woodson is old and Harris isn't even guaranteed to be able to ever play again, let alone play well. Oh and he's old too.

Having prospects and having prospects that have actually shown something are two different things. At WR, we' have prospects that have shown something. At CB, we have prospects that have failed with every chance, although injury plays a part in that too.

Woodson looked like he was 25 last year. He's got plenty left in his tank. T-Will is poised to take over for Harris. The questions are at the nickel and dime back positions. I think, even if we don't draft anybody at CB this year, we still have enough talent at corner to take most teams top 2 WR's out of the equation. Our CB prospects haven't run out of time to show something yet. Though I agree, the sand in the top half of that hourglass is running low.

[Maxie the Taxi]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

That was Sherman's strategy, if I recall.

[ND72]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

[Fritz]

And Belichek also traded his third to the Panthers, I think - for their second next year. He's deft at stockpiling picks and rolling them into better picks the following year. It's the one thing TT has not quite gotten to - yet.

People on this board have also commented on how damn many picks he has and how maddening it is to have NE picking all the time and stockpiling talent. But it wasn't too long ago that there was a lot of derision of TT for trading down and stockpiling picks. Lots of barbs about TT loving 7th round picks more than anything else. This year Belichek has a load of seventh rounders and many people seem envious.

Weird how the grass often seems greener on the other side.

I wonder how badly TT wishes he had a pick in the 4th. Or if he just goes off and takes a nap until the beginning of the 5th round.

That was Sherman's strategy, if I recall.

I think that was only at the combine...he was wide awake for the draft. Trading up to get the Beej in the third round. Snagging Ahmad Carroll.

Though to his credit he drafted Barnett and Kampman and some others who had talent.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

I think that in this draft, quality is better than quantity. Just my opinion. He'll stand pat.

[Sparkey]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

TT alluded to that in an interview yesterday where he commented that the board was getting soft. Meaning they were reaching a point where a lot of the players on the board were no better than what they already had on the roster.

That is why he traded up to get Morgan Burnett. That was late third round already, so looking at the fifth round, it should be fairly weak, except maybe for ST players and guys that are graded low due to an injury.

[Fritz]

I think there are openings in the following places:

DE
OLB
CB
S
RB
TE
P
QB

So I'd say there are eight openings on this team, yes. A third QB, someone to take Montgomery's spot, Poppinga's spot, Bush's spot, 4th safety spot, Ahman Green's spot, Krapinos's spot, and someone to duke it out with Donald Lee.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I will not be surprised to see Teddy move down with our 5th or 6th to try to grab a few more picks....yet I won't be surprised if we stay pat and take what we got. I'm not sure how many open spots we truly have on our roster right now. If we end up with say 8 guys, do 8 guys even have a chance to make the team as opposed to 6 guys?

TT alluded to that in an interview yesterday where he commented that the board was getting soft. Meaning they were reaching a point where a lot of the players on the board were no better than what they already had on the roster.

That is why he traded up to get Morgan Burnett. That was late third round already, so looking at the fifth round, it should be fairly week, except maybe for ST players and guys that are graded low due to an injury.

Agreed. If there's a ST player he wants (Example: Holliday), he may try to trade. But the lower you go in the draft, who's gonna trade with you (except maybe Belicek who, I think, is trying to draft the entire 7th round for himself).