Official Andrew Quarless Thread

[pbmax]

The tats are a minor thing. I wouldn't mind a concreted player who could back it up. This quote bothers me more:

Asked if he was an alcoholic, Quarless said, "Well, I actually had to go to an AA meeting, so I guess so. And when I first sat down with the counselors I told them, 'I haven't had a drink in over a year. I don't think I have a problem.'

"And she said, 'Just the fact it happened.' If I was 21, both of those situations might have been different because of where my (alcohol) levels were. I was never lying over in the middle of the street."

It just gives me the feeling that he doesn't think he has a problem, and now that he's over 21 and had the toast to break the ice, I just don't have a good feeling about it.

Umm you think any 20 year old college kid think they have a problem with drinking?

Well given that it almost cost him his career, he should at least take the possibility more seriously than the statements indicate. It strikes me like he stopped drinking while he was under the gun (would have been kicked off the team), and now feels like he is home free.

I found that comment troubling too, and inconsistent with some of his earlier statements that he had quit drinking. Now he quit drinking...except for....

With two drinking related situations he needs to find out if he has a problem or not. Ambivalence won't cut it.

You wouldn't think ambivalence would cut it at AA either. If he was entered as part of his diversionary program, was that the best choice for him, or the most convenient?

I don't think AA attempts to treat kids who don't know how to handle alcohol. They treat and support people who cannot afford to drink again. Two incidents (if indeed, that is all there is to the story) doesn't tell us much.

[Scott Campbell]

Sorry he might have a huge upside but he's a big risk.

They only dropped a 5th rounder on him. I don't see much risk.

[twoseven]

at least in WI binge drinking is an everyday thing in college. getting nipped for a DUI is not. i cannot remember even a single DUI on my WI campus from my college stint (not that they did not happen, just very rare). not often you need to be behind the wheel in those situations, everything is typically within walking distance and/or students still have enough sense to have a sober driver along or call a cab. don't know what Penn State is like, maybe the bars and house parties are a greater distance from typical living quarters?

[Deputy Nutz]

Wisconsin Badgers are getting nailed all the time with DUIs. One guy crashed his scooter while drunk into the back of a van.

Anyways. People are making too big of a deal about the drinking, No matter what level of football, It seemed that whatever team I was on, the football players where the biggest drinkers on campus. Some of us got caught, some didn't. I got an underage drinking ticket my freshman year while football was in season. The coaches treated like a slap on the wrist. A DUI would probably be a different story, but really I think it has more to do with the overall makeup of this kid, plus throw in the drinking and it could be a bad combination.

Brett Favre might have been one of the heaviest drinkers in the 1991 draft, and not once was it ever mentioned, hell he even crashed his Nissian Maxima coming back from a round of golf before his senior year, and the excuse, "loose gravel"(12 Beers).

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre might have been one of the heaviest drinkers in the 1991 draft, and not once was it ever mentioned, hell he even crashed his Nissian Maxima coming back from a round of golf before his senior year, and the excuse, "loose gravel"(12 Beers).

I'm not sure that Bert is a great example seeing that he ended up in a substance abuse program. Didn't he have to give up either drinking or Deanna?

I hope our new guy is able to keep it together.

[pbmax]

No matter what level of football, It seemed that whatever team I was on, the football players where the biggest drinkers on campus.

Watch out for the band. Especially the tuba players.

[RashanGary]

Wisconsin Badgers are getting nailed all the time with DUIs. One guy crashed his scooter while drunk into the back of a van.

Anyways. People are making too big of a deal about the drinking, No matter what level of football, It seemed that whatever team I was on, the football players where the biggest drinkers on campus. Some of us got caught, some didn't. I got an underage drinking ticket my freshman year while football was in season. The coaches treated like a slap on the wrist. A DUI would probably be a different story, but really I think it has more to do with the overall makeup of this kid, plus throw in the drinking and it could be a bad combination.

Brett Favre might have been one of the heaviest drinkers in the 1991 draft, and not once was it ever mentioned, hell he even crashed his Nissian Maxima coming back from a round of golf before his senior year, and the excuse, "loose gravel"(12 Beers).

That's very true.

[MJZiggy]

The tats are a minor thing. I wouldn't mind a concreted player who could back it up. This quote bothers me more:

Asked if he was an alcoholic, Quarless said, "Well, I actually had to go to an AA meeting, so I guess so. And when I first sat down with the counselors I told them, 'I haven't had a drink in over a year. I don't think I have a problem.'

"And she said, 'Just the fact it happened.' If I was 21, both of those situations might have been different because of where my (alcohol) levels were. I was never lying over in the middle of the street."

It just gives me the feeling that he doesn't think he has a problem, and now that he's over 21 and had the toast to break the ice, I just don't have a good feeling about it.

I think you guys are making too big a deal of this. In the article in the other thread, it said that when he got the DUI, his blood alcohol level was 0.04 and he only got the DUI because he was a minor. And have none of us ever gone out and tied one on before? From what I read in that article, I don't see the addiction. He probably had to go to the AA meeting (just one?) as a result of the DUI. I'm willing to believe that he's outgrown it if he can have a birthday toast without going on a drunken spree.

Umm you think any 20 year old college kid think they have a problem with drinking?

Well given that it almost cost him his career, he should at least take the possibility more seriously than the statements indicate. It strikes me like he stopped drinking while he was under the gun (would have been kicked off the team), and now feels like he is home free.

I found that comment troubling too, and inconsistent with some of his earlier statements that he had quit drinking. Now he quit drinking...except for....

With two drinking related situations he needs to find out if he has a problem or not. Ambivalence won't cut it.

You wouldn't think ambivalence would cut it at AA either. If he was entered as part of his diversionary program, was that the best choice for him, or the most convenient?

I don't think AA attempts to treat kids who don't know how to handle alcohol. They treat and support people who cannot afford to drink again. Two incidents (if indeed, that is all there is to the story) doesn't tell us much.

[run pMc]

Actually, I don't mind TT picking a TE in the 5th, especially if he's rated much higher. The quotes and things I've heard don't impress me or make him sound as talented as Finley, but Finley took some time to develop.

Remember, Finley said some pretty stupid things to the press.

Assuming this kid can play, I like that having two athletic TE's on the field could cause some matchup problems for opposing teams.

As for picking for need (I think the secondary was specifically mentioned), I'm admittedly in the BPA camp. I do agree that the starters are old, though. Think about this: Williams, Blackmon, Lee, and Underwood are behind Harris and Woodson...I'm not convinced there was anyone left on the board who was better than any of those guys.

All that said, Rodgers looked to Finley a lot in the 2nd half of the season, and when Finley was hurt the offense was impacted. IMO TT is thinking bigger picture here. If Finley gets hurt or decides he wants a fat new contract and TT ships him to the Broncos, he now has an understudy for M3 to coach up.

[get louder at lambeau]

No matter what level of football, It seemed that whatever team I was on, the football players where the biggest drinkers on campus.

Watch out for the band. Especially the tuba players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWQAg12Ko0

[LP]

I drank before I was "legal". And that was when the drinking age was 18. Now let me say before you all "I do not have a drinking problem." Does that make me an alcoholic?

[bobblehead]

our Safety situation got better with the drafting of Burnett, but DB overall is a problem...

I defy anyone to name a team who can field 5 guys (nickel included) as good as the packers do. And don't go bringing in the 6ht or 7th guy when you are upset about our backup TE not seeing the field.

Also you talk about the Jolly pick and say picks matter. We were considered stacked at DL when we drafted Jolly.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I drank before I was "legal". And that was when the drinking age was 18. Now let me say before you all "I do not have a drinking problem." Does that make me an alcoholic?

Not necessarily. But the hip flash you have crudely stashed underneath the stack of papers next to your computer at work that you think no one can see may be an indication of such.

Seriously, what self-respecting college kid did NOT drink before the legal drinking age? My theory is that the legal drinking age is established with the assumption that kids up to three years younger will have access to it, so with the legal age set at 21 the access extends to 18 year olds rather than 15 year olds. (obviously there's a lot of grey area, but i do think far fewer 15 year olds have access now than if the legal age was at 18)

[Fred's Slacks]

I was also dissapointed that we didn't get a CB in the draft.

But one thing to think about with the Quarless pick: behind Wood, Harris and Tramon, we have a 2nd round pick entering his 3rd year, a 6th round pick entering his second year and a 4th round pick entering his 5th year.

So does adding another 5th round pick in his rookie year really do much to upgrade that position?

It could, but with all picks, its a crapshoot. So I'd rather we better our odds and take the best player.