Aaron Rodgers hoisting the Vince Lombardi Trophy this year?

[Tarlam!]

What makes you believe Lee is a bust?

Oh, that's just Wisty being his glass half empty self. He called Nick Barnett a bust until M3's 2nd year of coaching.

[RashanGary]

In the 2 games against the Vikings last year, the Packers OL was in disarray. Neither Clifton or Tauscher started either of those games. The pass protection will be better. It improved greatly in the 2nd half of the season. If the Packers and Vikings had met in the latter part of the season, there is a very good chance the Packers would have won in a shootout.

For the defense to be better, they must get pressure on Favre. No sacks in either game, and not many hits. Capers went into those games with stopping Peterson his #1 priority. I don't think that will be the case this year. New Orleans provided the blueprint on how to beat Favre.

Good point. The Packers went in there, with stopping AP on their mind and they accomplished it. Both games, particularly the first, they were undiciplined in the secondary and somewhat predictable because I remember Capers saying he wasn't going to open up the book until they executed it well in practice. Reading between the lines, they weren't all getting it.

This year I see us being stronger on the OL, stronger on the DL, stronger in the secondary with guys knowing their jobs, stronger at OLB with the rookies taking big leaps and stronger at QB with Rodgers having learned some tough lessons early last year. I think Capers will have a plan to correct last years weaknesses and Capers is a proven good coach so I think he'll do it.

The Packers were not far off the Vikings last year, finishing only a game out of the division. I see us trending upward more-so than them. We have more guys at points in their careers that improvement is likely and less that decline is likely. As close as we were last year, I like our chances to overtake them this year.

[RashanGary]

Let's remember, two years ago we were 6-10. The Vikings were 10-6. Many of us felt last year that the Packers had made strides and it showed on the field. They changed their record by 5 games.


This year, I think we've improved yet again. I can understand how someone might say, "nah, they're about the same", but I disagree. I think this year the Packers will be markedly better than last year and it will be enough to close a small gap between us and our rivals to the NW.

[Tarlam!]

They improved 5 games against a fairly weak schedule. As I posted earlier, this season's schedule will tell us a lot about the state of the team.

I'd be happy if we sweep the division, which got much tougher after the off season and the draft.

[MichiganPackerFan]

They have a slim shot, and it is not because of the Packers offense. Their defense is going to be the weak link. The Packers simply don't have an answer for teams with a strong passing attack.

I agree with this, but more specifically I think they had no answer to the mid passing game to the middle of the field. They were exposed in AZ but the weakness was there all season. I don't know X's & O's well, but that sounds like the scheme to me.

In order for GB to be successful next season, here's what has to happen:
1) Health
2) Offensive line protecting AR
3) QB pressure. No more allowing 5+ seconds to allow the ball to come out.
4) Me getting a new HDTV. Therefore, if you want the packers to succeed, I think we all need to chip in to get me one.

Remember, there will be NO success unless ALL 4 items occur.

[Pugger]

I dont think anything we drafted will be that great...a 6-2 RB...isnt that a little tall?

According to Ted Thompson he has strict height requirements for running backs

I guess 6-8 would be a little much, and 5-3 is probably a little too short.

[RashanGary]

They improved 5 games against a fairly weak schedule. As I posted earlier, this season's schedule will tell us a lot about the state of the team.

I'd be happy if we sweep the division, which got much tougher after the off season and the draft.

The Vikings have the same schedule. That doesn't really apply to this conversation.

[ThunderDan]

They improved 5 games against a fairly weak schedule. As I posted earlier, this season's schedule will tell us a lot about the state of the team.

I'd be happy if we sweep the division, which got much tougher after the off season and the draft.

That argument is getting old.

We went 4-4 against the "easy" half of our schedule. Everyone was saying if the Pack didn't start fast last year we were dead. And then we went 7-1 against the "hard" half of our schedule. Beating Balt, Dallas, SF, @Chi and one unbelievable pass from Rottenberger from going 8-0. Tons of threads on here on how the Packers would be lucky to have a winning record yet alone finishing 10-6. That thread on its own was crazy and a pile of crow was eaten there.

We have 2 different games for our schedule as any other team in the NFC North every year.

[wist43]

What makes you believe Lee is a bust?

Oh, that's just Wisty being his glass half empty self. He called Nick Barnett a bust until M3's 2nd year of coaching.

Still hate Barnett Tar, lol...

Although he's matured into a vet... can't begrudge any more praise than that

[Tarlam!]

The Vikings have the same schedule. That doesn't really apply to this conversation.

Say what? Of course it applies to this conversation. You maintain we improved from a 6-10 to an 11-5 team. We did, but against a weak schedule.

The whole premise of this thread/poll is to predict the season's result. Taking the schedule into account as a parameter isn't applicable?

[wist43]

They have a slim shot, and it is not because of the Packers offense. Their defense is going to be the weak link. The Packers simply don't have an answer for teams with a strong passing attack.

I agree with this, but more specifically I think they had no answer to the mid passing game to the middle of the field. They were exposed in AZ but the weakness was there all season. I don't know X's & O's well, but that sounds like the scheme to me.

In order for GB to be successful next season, here's what has to happen:
1) Health
2) Offensive line protecting AR
3) QB pressure. No more allowing 5+ seconds to allow the ball to come out.
4) Me getting a new HDTV. Therefore, if you want the packers to succeed, I think we all need to chip in to get me one.

Remember, there will be NO success unless ALL 4 items occur.

Yes, they were exposed in Arizona, and I've been fairly vocal about that; but, I still place most of the blame for that debacle on Capers.

If Capers comes out in conservative mode, i.e., don't blitz good QB's, then any defense would be in trouble. Capers game plan against Arizona in the playoff game was mind numbingly ill conceived.

That said, the player deficiencies were fairly obvious too... we need more consistancy and production out of the secondary, and we need more play makers at LB. Increased pass rush can only help that of course, but there can be no denying that the players we're planning on trotting out there this year are the same players who got smoked with ease more than once last year. Forget about their number two yardage ranking... 7 games against 7 of the worst offenses in the league will pad your stats a bit.

[Tarlam!]

That argument is getting old......etc

We have 2 different games for our schedule as any other team in the NFC North every year.

Just because it's an old argument doesn't mean it isn't a truth.

I don't know if you actually read what I write, Dan, or if I've antagonized you so you flat out pick on my posts.

In this thread my message has been pretty consistant: It's too early for me to tell whether or not we'll win the SB, I hope we sweep the division and it will be a tougher schedule than the last few years.

I really don't know where the animosity in my opinions is justified.

[ThunderDan]

That argument is getting old......etc

We have 2 different games for our schedule as any other team in the NFC North every year.

Just because it's an old argument doesn't mean it isn't a truth.

I don't know if you actually read what I write, Dan, or if I've antagonized you so you flat out pick on my posts.

In this thread my message has been pretty consistant: It's too early for me to tell whether or not we'll win the SB, I hope we sweep the division and it will be a tougher schedule than the last few years.

I really don't know where the animosity in my opinions is justified.

I read everything you write.

The easy schedule/tough schedule is a bunch of BS. Who would have guessed that Cincinnatti or the Jetts would have been good in 2009? Or that the Titans would go 8-8 or the Giants would go 8-8?

The Packers lost 5 games during the regular season in 2009.
2 to Minnesota 12-4, who lost in the NFC Championship game to the SuperBowl Champs.
1 to Cincinnati 10-6, who made the playoffs
1 to Pittsburgh 9-7, who beat Minn also
1 to TB, how the hell do we lose that game?

We lost in the first round of the playoffs because of a defensive collapse that had been exposed a couple of times earlier in the season.

I am not denying that you need to wait and see how the Packers look to make a guess. I haven't answered the poll either and need to see training camp work before I would answer this question. I just can't stand the soft/hard schedule BS.

[Tarlam!]

The easy schedule/tough schedule is a bunch of BS. Who would have guessed that Cincinnatti or the Jetts would have been good in 2009? Or that the Titans would go 8-8 or the Giants would go 8-8?

We lost in the first round of the playoffs because of a defensive collapse that had been exposed a couple of times earlier in the season.

The Jets limped into the playoffs and Cinci got squashed because they were overconfident, just as The Pack lost in Tampa. The Cards demonstrated pretty clearly that at best, The Pack should have been 10-6. Dallas showed in the playoffs that they were shite playing away, so their loss at Lambeau was consistant etc.

We can do this all day.

In the absence of beating the Vikings twice this year and repeating the sweep of the Lions and Bears, I see this year's schedule as very difficult compared to last year's.

How the team does this year will tell me, at least, how good this team really is.

[ThunderDan]

The easy schedule/tough schedule is a bunch of BS. Who would have guessed that Cincinnatti or the Jetts would have been good in 2009? Or that the Titans would go 8-8 or the Giants would go 8-8?

We lost in the first round of the playoffs because of a defensive collapse that had been exposed a couple of times earlier in the season.

The Jets limped into the playoffs and Cinci got squashed because they were overconfident, just as The Pack lost in Tampa. The Cards demonstrated pretty clearly that at best, The Pack should have been 10-6. Dallas showed in the playoffs that they were shite playing away, so their loss at Lambeau was consistant etc.

We can do this all day.

In the absence of beating the Vikings twice this year and repeating the sweep of the Lions and Bears, I see this year's schedule as very difficult compared to last year's.

How the team does this year will tell me, at least, how good this team really is.

The Jets made to the AFC Championship game with a rookie QB after a HOF QB named Favre left. I would have been surprised if they won 7 games last year. Instead that got 2 quarters away from the Super Bowl.

And Dallas, fuck, they are the only team that beat NO at home all year when NO played their starters the whole game and you say they were shit on the road? Dallas was 5-3 on the road. Edit: NO lost to Tampa Bay at home also on that missed FG the next week during a complete let down week for the team. Wait, NO the Super Bowl Champs lost to TB, I guess GB Loss to TB doesn't look as bad.

I'm done with this.