Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

[ThunderDan]

As for Colledge, privately he is furious with the Packers. He expected a first-round tender and likely did not get it (Colledge said on Boise radio last night he thought it was a second-round tender).

"If it's a second round, maybe I have a chance to move," Colledge said on KTIK. "Maybe I could be coming to a city near you."

Make no mistake, Colledge would like to leave Green Bay and his agent will be working hard to get a team to offer him a contract. He is tired of being forced to play multiple positions, which Colledge feels has hurt his development.

It's not a coincidence that the two best players on the offensive line last season were right guard Josh Sitton and center Scott Wells. Both have played the same position almost exclusively since joining the Packers.

Other players know that very well. That is why Colledge is not alone in his displeasure with the way the Packers have handled their offensive line.

Tar-

I just read the quote again and if you read without a pro-Packer bias, I missed it the first time, DC could be saying that if I team only has to give up a 2 to get him he might be moving. A team might be interested, the Packers might not match and he would be somewhere else.

[Gunakor]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

What makes you so certain that 2008 was the fluke and 2009 is what he really is?

Maybe because of 2006, 2007 and actually the first part of 2008, too.

All kidding aside, he has been consistently inconsistent his entire career except for part of the 2008 season. If memory serves me correctly (and it may not) he actually struggled early in 2008, too, then supposedly put it all together.

If consistency is his problem, the blame for that can largely be placed on the shoulders of Mike McCarthy. If MM wanted to see consistency, logic dictates that he wouldn't be moving Colledge from guard to tackle to guard to tackle to guard and so on and so forth. Either he's a guard or he's a tackle, but he's not both. Perhaps if McCarthy were a little more consistent in his usage of Colledge, Colledge would be a little more consistent on the playing field.

[Patler]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

If consistency is his problem, the blame for that can largely be placed on the shoulders of Mike McCarthy. If MM wanted to see consistency, logic dictates that he wouldn't be moving Colledge from guard to tackle to guard to tackle to guard and so on and so forth. Either he's a guard or he's a tackle, but he's not both. Perhaps if McCarthy were a little more consistent in his usage of Colledge, Colledge would be a little more consistent on the playing field.

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Colledge being moved around, it is common in the NFL. It was common on the Packers, even before McCarthy. That's just the way of life in the NFL especially for young linemen.

If you look back at it, he really hasn't played all that many games at tackle.

[vince]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Colledge being moved around, it is common in the NFL. It was common on the Packers, even before McCarthy. That's just the way of life in the NFL especially for young linemen.

If you look back at it, he really hasn't played all that many games at tackle.

This is the thing for me too. I could care less about whether and how he's been posturing in the press. It's his performance on the field that is the concern.

[sharpe1027]

As for Colledge, privately he is furious with the Packers. He expected a first-round tender and likely did not get it (Colledge said on Boise radio last night he thought it was a second-round tender).

"If it's a second round, maybe I have a chance to move," Colledge said on KTIK. "Maybe I could be coming to a city near you."

Make no mistake, Colledge would like to leave Green Bay and his agent will be working hard to get a team to offer him a contract. He is tired of being forced to play multiple positions, which Colledge feels has hurt his development.

It's not a coincidence that the two best players on the offensive line last season were right guard Josh Sitton and center Scott Wells. Both have played the same position almost exclusively since joining the Packers.

Other players know that very well. That is why Colledge is not alone in his displeasure with the way the Packers have handled their offensive line.

I don't understand the conclusion reached from this quote. I guess it really depends upon the context, but he basically stated a reality for any player that was tendered an offer. If another team is willing to give up the required pick, that player may end up leaving. Maybe he sounded excited about the prospect when he said it? IDK.

[mission]

As for Colledge, privately he is furious with the Packers. He expected a first-round tender and likely did not get it (Colledge said on Boise radio last night he thought it was a second-round tender).

"If it's a second round, maybe I have a chance to move," Colledge said on KTIK. "Maybe I could be coming to a city near you."

Make no mistake, Colledge would like to leave Green Bay and his agent will be working hard to get a team to offer him a contract. He is tired of being forced to play multiple positions, which Colledge feels has hurt his development.

It's not a coincidence that the two best players on the offensive line last season were right guard Josh Sitton and center Scott Wells. Both have played the same position almost exclusively since joining the Packers.

Other players know that very well. That is why Colledge is not alone in his displeasure with the way the Packers have handled their offensive line.

I don't understand the conclusion reached from this quote. I guess it really depends upon the context, but he basically stated a reality for any player that was tendered an offer. If another team is willing to give up the required pick, that player may end up leaving. Maybe he sounded excited about the prospect when he said it? IDK.

i think "maybe i have a chance" is the key

maybe it was taken out of context somehow ... had he said 'maybe there's a chance" then i could see the other side, but it just sounds like he's hoping.

[sharpe1027]

i think "maybe i have a chance" is the key

maybe it was taken out of context somehow ... had he said 'maybe there's a chance" then i could see the other side, but it just sounds like he's hoping.

I can see that, but its so subtle that it could easily be misinterpreted. I'm sure if things any of us said out loud were quoted in print, they'd often look very different than how we intended them.

I don't think Bedard's strong conclusion about Colledge has much credibility if it is based primarily on that quote. Maybe there is more to the story though.

[Tarlam!]

I don't think Bedard's strong conclusion about Colledge has much credibility if it is based primarily on that quote. Maybe there is more to the story though.

I want to believe the roster is 100% Packer People. I also have a tendency to trust beat reporters, because they operate in a vacuum. So I wonder why a guy, whose livelihood depends on inside infos would construct a damning conclusion if he wasn't in possession of a smoking gun. If Bedard loses cred with the players, he might as well change teams.

This is the grey matter that, if I'm Colledge, I would go after, if indeed, he has been misrepresented. By giving a press release via his agent and issuing it on his preferred medium - facebook - the fans wouldn't be so divided over it.

But as PB already pointed out, he might add fuel to the fire by doing so. I can readily accept that as viable. None the less, DC is on double secret probation on my list of Packer people watching!

[RashanGary]

These guys signed contracts believing that after 4 years accrued they would be UFA's. There was a chance it could all change, sure, but it's still really disappointing when it happens.

Colledge has come to work, worked hard, been a good citizen and made some pretty great blocks. He's also been consistently inconsistent (far worse at tackle than guard). He's at the point in his career where his contract is up and if the Packers want him, now is the time to start talking contract. The Packers are not talking contract. They gave him the 2nd round tender, want him to play the year and it seems they're hoping to find something better so they can move on without ever giving him a new deal.

He hasn't signed his contract yet and in NFL terms, it's a pretty one sided deal right now. Colledge is probably good enough to get a moderate signing bonus and a long term deal from someone if he was a UFA, but not good enough for a team to give up the pick and the money. He's saying he might be moving because he senses the Packers don't really want him and maybe some other team does. The Packers are making the decision (and rightly so IMO) to not try work out a deal and he's doing what anybody with a brain would do and hoping someone else does. He's a so/so player. It only takes one team to really like him, maybe they think they can get the great plays and with coaching limit the bad ones. I think he's hoping some team does want him, because the Packers don't seem to want him around.

[Tarlam!]

JH, you've basically said you don't believe Bedard's report is accurate, which is how you've decided to interpret it. Nothing wrong with that.

Bedard basically said he did throw a hissey fit, expects a premium contract and preferably not with Green Bay. He goes on to conclude DC and other linemen blame their "inconsistant" performance on (if I may further paraphrase) the turmoil caused by the coaching staff.

You've concluded The Packers don't want him around and even maintain, DC senses he's unwanted in Green Bay.

I don't know if TT's boys have declined further negotiations. I haven't seen an interview of late with either party confirming the current status.

If, indeed, this is the case, then my conclusion would be TT is sending a clear message that he hasn't seen enough of DC to significantly up the ante just yet, but, he has this TC and a handful of games to state his case. TT has done deals during the season with players he wants. It would be foolish for TT to ignore an uncapped year to sign a proven guard.

Edit: I just noticed, JH, you changed your original post and removed some of your conclusions. So this post of mine is pretty much superfluous.

[Bretsky]

I rarely use this one in here......but it comes to mind in regards to my view in all of this

Where there is fuel there is usually fire

[mission]

I rarely use this one in here......but it comes to mind in regards to my view in all of this

Where there is fuel there is usually fire

i went the whole smoke/fire route but that works too


JH you're pointing to circumstance and how it's disappointing he cant be a UFA and all of that. i understand that but again, why didn't williams, jolly and bigby make similar comments on their local college radio stations?

shoot, williams could probably get the biggest contract out of all of them on the open market so he would have the most to complain about. haven't heard a peep.

it's not that i think colledge SUCKS or that he needs to be cut or anything... i just don't think his attitude matches his play. if you're top 20%, you can get whatever you want... middle 70% get to keep their job and bottom 10% get replaced. jack welch vitality curve... his view of himself is questionably top 20% yet his play doesn't match it at all.

so show up to packer fan day (when you're committed to it), get your ass to the optional workouts and make sure you're starting next year. you arent going to make ANY money as a free agent if you're a backup Packer guard.

[pbmax]

I rarely use this one in here......but it comes to mind in regards to my view in all of this

Where there is fuel there is usually fire

That is the beauty of this dilemma. I am sure many (if not most) believe that Colledge is bothered by his contract status. Its logical, common to young players near the end of their first contract and he is hamstrung by the CBA change affecting him directly.

What the debate turns on currently, is how public has been the complaint.

As for mission's reading of his radio quote, it is certainly possible he was contemplating a future with another team. But it should be pointed out that the only way to improve an RFA tender is to get a contract offer from somebody else. Similar to the Collins agent's public statement that he was unhappy with the RFA and lack of progress on a long term deal.

RG, I can understand picturing posters in their bedroom crying they are misunderstood (or were you referring to Colledge?) and I understand observing Colledge's inconsistency. But ego maniacal? That seems a stretch. If anything, Colledge probably knows better than we how much the team values him. He knows his grades from every game and does not need to just rely on McGinn's end of season analysis or the TV broadcast.

As for trusting Bedard, I don't doubt that his summation is at least partially accurate, or at least based on other's observation of Colledge. But it still lacks context and depth. If I thought my employer was dragging its feet on a contract extension because they could without fear of losing me, I might make similar judgments about my perceived mistreatment. But none of those temporary bursts of anger would change my basic assessment of the organization; whether I wanted to stay or go, whether they were a good fit for me.

The Packers still want him around and they know him better than Bedard or KTIX. Bedard might have reported an accurate observation, but the actual story might be that both sides want to stay in business together. The Packers clearly do. We'll find out what Colledge thinks when he signs the tender and reports to camp.

[Gunakor]

If Bedard loses cred with the players, he might as well change teams.

You mean change teams again, right??

Ask Jason Taylor how much cred he had with players in Miami. Bedard has a history. I don't like him, I don't read him. He's absolute garbage. Read Silverstien and Nickel instead. For my money I'd rather read anything from either of those two than read the garbage that spews from Bedard's keyboard and winds up in our newspaper. I can only hope that he changes teams again sometime soon.

[Gunakor]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

I don't have a lot of sympathy for Colledge being moved around, it is common in the NFL. It was common on the Packers, even before McCarthy. That's just the way of life in the NFL especially for young linemen.

If you look back at it, he really hasn't played all that many games at tackle.

It's common for backups. It's not nearly as common for starters. I do have sympathy for his being moved around because he's not a backup tackle, he's a starting guard. Young or old doesn't matter to me, the difference is first string or second string. If you're a 24 year old starter, you shouldn't be moved around at all. If you're a 30 year old backup you better know how to play more than one position and expect to play more than one position. That goes for all positions, not just the offensive line. If you're a starter, you're not a backup. That's my take on it.

Every single practice repetition Colledge gets should be at left guard. Every game Colledge plays should be at left guard. He should never ever be asked to back up any other position on that line. Again, he's a starting guard, not a backup tackle. I'd bet if he were treated as such for his entire career he'd be more than serviceable at guard. So again, if McCarthy wants more consistency from Colledge he should be more consistent himself. I'm 100% certain that Colledge is capable of being a fine guard in this league. He's done it before.