Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

[Bretsky]

If Bedard loses cred with the players, he might as well change teams.

You mean change teams again, right??

Ask Jason Taylor how much cred he had with players in Miami. Bedard has a history. I don't like him, I don't read him. He's absolute garbage. Read Silverstien and Nickel instead. For my money I'd rather read anything from either of those two than read the garbage that spews from Bedard's keyboard and winds up in our newspaper. I can only hope that he changes teams again sometime soon.

Nickels IMO offers nothing; there are fifty forum members who could offer more than she does. Bunch of fluff pieces with little information added the fan doesn't know about.

McGinn is still very good.

Silverstein IMO is better than Bedard but not nearly as good as McGinnn. He's not all fluff and adds to the picture. I heard him, well, I think it was him, in an interview joking about how it's not a lot of fun to interview TT so writers can only do their best after speaking with him.

I think Bedard is decent as well. If he's given an analysis of the Packers he doesn't need to be their friends.

I want to be interested by these guys. I follow the Packers enough that I don't want all fluff and informative stuff that we already know.

[RashanGary]

Daryn is simply saying he got the 2nd round tender, no contract talks have begun and there's a good chance he could be coming to a city near you. That's reality.

PB pretty much hit it on the head over the last couple weeks. Colledge gets one chance to get a decent contract. He was an older rookie. The owners opting out of the CBA. . . Everything is working against him. The Packers don't appear to want him around long term. I don't doubt he's unhappy. In fact, I would be shocked if he was happy with it.

PB has already touched on this too, but like Kampman and others before him, he knows it's part of the deal and I strongly suspect he'll be in here, doing his best and not making an issue at all.


People were making a big stink about the Collins situation too. I thought it was obvious that both sides were working together and there would be no issue. This is the same. A good solid understanding of the context here and some common sense says Colledge will be in here doing his best with no issue. We'll see.

[Patler]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

It's common for backups. It's not nearly as common for starters. I do have sympathy for his being moved around because he's not a backup tackle, he's a starting guard. Young or old doesn't matter to me, the difference is first string or second string. If you're a 24 year old starter, you shouldn't be moved around at all. If you're a 30 year old backup you better know how to play more than one position and expect to play more than one position. That goes for all positions, not just the offensive line. If you're a starter, you're not a backup. That's my take on it.

Every single practice repetition Colledge gets should be at left guard. Every game Colledge plays should be at left guard. He should never ever be asked to back up any other position on that line. Again, he's a starting guard, not a backup tackle. I'd bet if he were treated as such for his entire career he'd be more than serviceable at guard. So again, if McCarthy wants more consistency from Colledge he should be more consistent himself. I'm 100% certain that Colledge is capable of being a fine guard in this league. He's done it before.

It's common for starters, too. Heck, early in his career Tauscher split every game between tackle and guard for a good chunk of one season when Rivera was all beat up and played only every other quarter for a while, then came out most 4th quarters. Tauscher was not a backup guard, he was a starting tackle, but he made it work game after game.

I think (but haven't verified) that Spitz played more games at center and left guard his first three years than Colledge played at tackle, and Spitz was a starting right guard just like Colledge was a starting left guard.

Michael Oher moved from starting right tackle to starting left tackle last year due to injuries, didn't he?

Under Sherman, an accomplished line coach, not only did Tauscher split games between RT and RG, when Clifton went out for the season, Flanagan moved from starting center to starting left tackle.

Under Holmgren, when Frank Winters came to Green Bay he bounced between guard and center.

Under Vince Lombardi, Forrest Gregg was an All-Pro tackle, but when Jerry Kramer went out for the rest of a season, Forrest Gregg moved to guard.

NFL teams play their best combination of 5 OL, and if one gets hurt and the combination is better with another starter moving to accommodate the 6th man at a position, so be it. It happens on lots of teams. It's been happening that way as long as I have watched the Packers.

[RashanGary]

Bretsky,

JS was making a big stink about the Collins situation getting out of hand. They were wrong.

JS has been saying for years Ted is unwilling to spend money (last 18 mos they've doled out huge contracts to Rodgers, Jennings, Collins, Pickett, Clifton and Tausher).

JS made a big stink about the Packers not having a LT this year. For several reasons they were wrong.

JS made a big stink about Rodgers not being able to win close games. They were wrong.

JS made a big stink about Rodgers not being a winner. They were wrong

JS made a big stink about Rodgers not being able to get the team to the playoffs. They were wrong.

JS is still making a stink because Rodgers doesn't care about winning, only stats. They'll be wrong.

McGinn's draft stuff is great. He has some good connections around the league and once in a while somebody he talks to has some really interesting things to share and McGinn relays it to us.


But to sit here and praise that dump of a paper for their consistently wrong speculation that you classify as insider information. I don't know. I don't see that at all. If they had any track history of being right, I'd agree. But they're always full of shit.


The people who are going to be right at the end of the day are the people predicting success. And you're right about McGinn. Year after year he predicts success and he's the guy who is right. Pessimists deal with that.

[MichiganPackerFan]

With all this talk of fuel, fire and smoke, I have this sudden urge to break out a big grilling project...

[retailguy]

With all this talk of fuel, fire and smoke, I have this sudden urge to break out a big grilling project...

You can grill lots of bullshit with some of the stuff being spewed in this thread, but what would you do with it once grilled?

[sharpe1027]

I want to believe the roster is 100% Packer People. I also have a tendency to trust beat reporters, because they operate in a vacuum. So I wonder why a guy, whose livelihood depends on inside infos would construct a damning conclusion if he wasn't in possession of a smoking gun. If Bedard loses cred with the players, he might as well change teams.

This is the grey matter that, if I'm Colledge, I would go after, if indeed, he has been misrepresented. By giving a press release via his agent and issuing it on his preferred medium - facebook - the fans wouldn't be so divided over it.

But as PB already pointed out, he might add fuel to the fire by doing so. I can readily accept that as viable. None the less, DC is on double secret probation on my list of Packer people watching!

His livelihood depends on selling advertisement space in the paper and on the web. His article got us all discussing it regardless of its validity.

I don't know. It could be that Colledge is fed up with the Packers. I just don't see it from that one quote. That just sounds more like a statement about the realities of the tender process and a little self-gratification. Colledge was playing up himself as being worth a 2nd rounder, which could be for personal or contract reasons.

[MJZiggy]

With all this talk of fuel, fire and smoke, I have this sudden urge to break out a big grilling project...

When do we eat?

[Gunakor]

Nickels IMO offers nothing; there are fifty forum members who could offer more than she does. Bunch of fluff pieces with little information added the fan doesn't know about.

At least what Nickels offers doesn't come with an obvious bias against certain members of the organization she's reporting on. That alone makes her more readable than Bedard.

I would agree with you that McGinn is very good too, he slipped my mind but I do enjoy reading him as well.

[Guiness]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

Under Sherman, an accomplished line coach, not only did Tauscher split games between RT and RG, when Clifton went out for the season, Flanagan moved from starting center to starting left tackle.

I remember that, and remember being shocked. Flanagan was the backup LT??? I couldn't believe it when they slid him over - gained a lot of respect for him that day.

Happen to remember who was actually behind Clifton on the depth chart at the time? I can't see Flanagan's name actually appearing there.

[pbmax]

Re: Darryn Colledge's bad attitude

Under Sherman, an accomplished line coach, not only did Tauscher split games between RT and RG, when Clifton went out for the season, Flanagan moved from starting center to starting left tackle.

I remember that, and remember being shocked. Flanagan was the backup LT??? I couldn't believe it when they slid him over - gained a lot of respect for him that day.

Happen to remember who was actually behind Clifton on the depth chart at the time? I can't see Flanagan's name actually appearing there.

He played LT for nearly half the season after Clifton got taken out by Sapp. And speaking of not having tackle depth, Jerry Wisne looks to be the backup according to JSO's final 2002 roster. Kevin Barry was a rookie and Barrett Brooks played 2 games in his career in GB.

[Lurker64]

Colledge signed his tender today: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/93306389.html

Presumably so he could take part in OTAs next week, but maybe he'll be traded. Who knows.

[Fritz]

Tender is the night.

[Joemailman]

Colledge signed his tender today: http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/93306389.html

Presumably so he could take part in OTAs next week, but maybe he'll be traded. Who knows.

Colledge may be frustratingly inconsistent, but he's not stupid. He knows that if he wants to be a sought after UFA next year, he needs to have a great year in 2010. That starts with preparation. I doubt he will be traded, nor do I think he wants to be. He would have signed his tender before the draft if he was hoping to be traded.

[Scott Campbell]

Are tender offers guaranteed, or is does he have to make the opening day roster to get paid?