Williams boys CAN be suspended

[Tony Oday]

I spoke too soon the judge is taking two weeks to review the injunction per Fox Sports

[packerbacker1234]

Doubtful it plays too much of a role in Favre's decision. It's on the other side of the ball, and it's not like if it goes through they are gone all year. In fact, they will most likely be better rested for the long haul.

If it was 2 or 3 OL getting in trouble... I could see that being a factor, but since it's on defense and they will be back after what, 4 games if it goes through? Meh, no biggie.


I love all the shit with drugs and PE, it's as if people forgot that chances are... a lot of NFL players take them and are never caught.

[mngolf19]

this is total bull shit IMO

they cheated according to NFL rules, they took the stuff. every other player on every othert team would have been suspended for what they did

the vikings are clearly gaining a huge advantage because of this whole thing dragging out for so long

i say if the courts find that they can be suspended the the nfl needs to punish them a lot more then the 4 games they were going to be suspended

hammer them hard rodger, make a giant statement

Red, the Saints have 2 players awaiting this decision as well. The NFL is also looking at allowing them to serve consecutively so as to not affect the team so harshly. They could do the same with the Williams's. And the Vikes have stood behind the league's decision while also supporting the players right to appeal.

This will be Pat's last season and if this goes to the State Supreme Court then Pat will never see a suspension.

[mngolf19]

The Vikings window is right now, and after this year I think it could close fast. They don't have a whole lot of young ascending talent and a lot of their best talent is either aging or at best, plateauing. It's now or never for the Vikings. It's to their benefit to keep appealing. Ultimately, I think this is just a matter of when they're suspended, not if they're suspended.

Keep dreaming.

[Bretsky]

The Vikings window is right now, and after this year I think it could close fast. They don't have a whole lot of young ascending talent and a lot of their best talent is either aging or at best, plateauing. It's now or never for the Vikings. It's to their benefit to keep appealing. Ultimately, I think this is just a matter of when they're suspended, not if they're suspended.

Didn't you say the same thing last year ?

[Lurker64]

The Vikings window is right now, and after this year I think it could close fast. They don't have a whole lot of young ascending talent and a lot of their best talent is either aging or at best, plateauing. It's now or never for the Vikings. It's to their benefit to keep appealing. Ultimately, I think this is just a matter of when they're suspended, not if they're suspended.

Keep dreaming.

Well, the real question the Vikings are going to have in a year or two is "what to do with the QB position", since I doubt that Tarvaris or Sage are ever going to be able to pilot a high powered passing attack that drove the Vikings ship last year. There's also some concern about the left side of the OL longterm, which was the strength of the Vikings for many years, but McKinnie is a perennial knucklehead who might wear out his welcome, and Hutchinson is getting up there in age. I agree that Pat is pretty much done after this year, and I think there will be a dropoff but not too much of one. There's some concerns in the secondary long term, but honestly Tampa 2 corners are pretty interchangeable. The real personnel issue is linebackers, but Lieber and Greenway are pretty solid, so the real question is how will Henderson recover from his injury and/or how much of a dropoff is there with Brinkley.

The Vikings defense should continue to be pretty decent years into the future, but the offense will have its ups and downs. I think the real question about "how close to closing is this window" is "how many effective years does Peterson have remaining?" He's 24, and takes more punishment than the average NFL running back when he runs. I'd put it at about 5 years at the going rate, but who knows? Then again, will he ever go back to being the player he was 2-3 years ago, as opposed to last year? Who knows?

[Patler]

I think the real question about "how close to closing is this window" is "how many effective years does Peterson have remaining?" He's 24, and takes more punishment than the average NFL running back when he runs. I'd put it at about 5 years at the going rate, but who knows? Then again, will he ever go back to being the player he was 2-3 years ago, as opposed to last year? Who knows?

That will be an interesting thing to watch. Many RBs come and go very quickly. Only the rare ones are still "special" in the 5-10 year range. Others go downhill quickly after about 5 years. He is going into his 4th season and has over 900 NFL carries already. His average has declined noticeably each year (5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4).

[Scott Campbell]

That will be an interesting thing to watch. Many RBs come and go very quickly. Only the rare ones are still "special" in the 5-10 year range. Others go downhill quickly after about 5 years. He is going into his 4th season and has over 900 NFL carries already. His average has declined noticeably each year (5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4).

The 4th season is where the wheels came off for John Brockington.

[MadScientist]

That will be an interesting thing to watch. Many RBs come and go very quickly. Only the rare ones are still "special" in the 5-10 year range. Others go downhill quickly after about 5 years. He is going into his 4th season and has over 900 NFL carries already. His average has declined noticeably each year (5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4).

The 4th season is where the wheels came off for John Brockington.

Wasn't that also related to a new coach who took away his bread and butter play?

24 isn't that old, even for a feature RB. Defenses have geared up to stop him, so he doesn't run free as often. I would like to see him decline because of the team he plays for, but I don't expect it to happen real soon. Hopefully he can keep his fumbles high, reducing his carries.

[Patler]

24 isn't that old, even for a feature RB. Defenses have geared up to stop him, so he doesn't run free as often. I would like to see him decline because of the team he plays for, but I don't expect it to happen real soon. Hopefully he can keep his fumbles high, reducing his carries.

SI had a great article a few years ago, which I wish I had kept, analyzing the life of an NFL RB. Their conclusion was that age had less to do with it than total carries in college and the pros. They analyzed a lot of backs, and most fell into a relatively small window for career carries when they transitioned from better than most to just average. The ones who had longer pro careers had far fewer carries in college and/or fewer carries per year in the NFL. The ones who flamed out sooner in the NFL racked up a lot of carries very young, but overall the total carries in college and the NFL were strikingly similar.

I don't remember the magic number.

[Patler]

Duplicate post.

[gbgary]

i don't understand the point of the suit. how and what civil rights were denied, and even if they were somehow, what's that got to do with failing the test? failed test = suspension.

[mngolf19]

I think the real question about "how close to closing is this window" is "how many effective years does Peterson have remaining?" He's 24, and takes more punishment than the average NFL running back when he runs. I'd put it at about 5 years at the going rate, but who knows? Then again, will he ever go back to being the player he was 2-3 years ago, as opposed to last year? Who knows?

That will be an interesting thing to watch. Many RBs come and go very quickly. Only the rare ones are still "special" in the 5-10 year range. Others go downhill quickly after about 5 years. He is going into his 4th season and has over 900 NFL carries already. His average has declined noticeably each year (5.6 to 4.8 to 4.4).

Could also be the reason they drafted Gerhart.

[get louder at lambeau]

i don't understand the point of the suit. how and what civil rights were denied, and even if they were somehow, what's that got to do with failing the test? failed test = suspension.

As far as I understand it, the rights that were violated were about how the NFL notified the players, or actually how they didn't notify them within 3 days as required by MN law. As far as what it has to do with failing the test, the judge ruled that it didn't cause damages to the players and that the suspensions could be enacted.

[packrulz]

This isn't over: http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=090...s&confirm=true