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  • #31
    Its on hold again. Pat Williams may have to be suspended while in retirement.

    Though it remains to be seen whether Vikings defensive tackles Pat and Kevin Williams ultimately will avoid a four-game suspension for violating the league's steroids policy, the NFL won't be permitted to impose the suspension until the case is addressed by the Minnesota Court of Appeals.


    We've obtained and digested the 11-page written opinion from Judge Gary Larson regarding his decision to extend a temporary injunction that prevents the implementation of four-game suspensions against Vikings defensive tackles Pat and Kevin Williams until their appeal is resolved.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    • #32
      The NFL gets blasted by the judge again......from the decision on the restraining order.....


      3. No substantial harm will come to the NFL.
      The NFL will not be substantially harmed by a stay of dissolution of the temporary restraining order pending appeal. Defendant argues that it will suffer irreparable harm. Defendant claims that granting a stay pending appeal would send the wrong message to young fans and skew the competition. Defendants also argue that a stay would pose a disadvantage to other players who attained their playing weight without using banned substances, as well as other teams whose players already served their suspensions for using Bumetanide or other prohibited substances.
      Defendant could have easily avoided this very situation by informing players or teams about what it already knew – that Star Caps contained a hidden, dangerous substance. Defendant knew that many players were already inadvertently ingesting Bumetanide, and continued to place the health, safety, and welfare of its players in jeopardy, so that Adolpho Birch could play a game of gotcha. The league clearly allowed a half dozen other players to use Bumetanide without punishment. Granting a stay pending appeal would not cause Defendant irreparable harm, it would only affect Defendant‟s ability to immediately sanction Plaintiffs and would not affect the general enforceability its anti-doping policy. This Court finds that Defendant would suffer no harm by the continued imposition of an injunction during appeal.

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      • #33
        this is ridiculous

        what else can the nfl do about this?

        can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

        you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

        they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules

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        • #34
          That's not surprising. The state law that the NFL broke has nothing to do with whether these two are broke their agreement, but in our system, there are many opportunities to appeal and that's how it should be handled during an appeal.
          Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by red
            this is ridiculous

            what else can the nfl do about this?

            can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

            you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

            they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules
            How about a little outrage over the 8 guys they let skate? Did they break the rules? Well?

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            • #36
              Doesn't matter, Rastak. It's a matter of time. Law grants them the right to appeal, but these guys broke their agreement fair and square. Whether the NFL let the first 8 off or not, these guys broke it, the NFL added a whole appendix to their steroid and related substance agreement and now they're enforcing it.

              There is going to be a lot of whining about fair this, or unethical that. At the end of the day, these guys will be suspended, it's just a matter of what day they run out of appeals. If they didn't like the agreement, they shouldn't have signed it.
              Formerly known as JustinHarrell.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Rastak
                Originally posted by red
                this is ridiculous

                what else can the nfl do about this?

                can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

                you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

                they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules
                How about a little outrage over the 8 guys they let skate? Did they break the rules? Well?
                Suspend them all.

                I liked DeMaurice Smith's comment, "I don't have any sympathy for players who violate the NFL drug policy." (Or someting very similar to that)

                Welcome back Rastak.
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Rastak
                  Originally posted by red
                  this is ridiculous

                  what else can the nfl do about this?

                  can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

                  you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

                  they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules
                  How about a little outrage over the 8 guys they let skate? Did they break the rules? Well?
                  are you talking about the other star caps guys?

                  how can you suspend those guys when state law is protecting two others that violated the same rules?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by red
                    Originally posted by Rastak
                    Originally posted by red
                    this is ridiculous

                    what else can the nfl do about this?

                    can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

                    you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

                    they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules
                    How about a little outrage over the 8 guys they let skate? Did they break the rules? Well?
                    are you talking about the other star caps guys?

                    how can you suspend those guys when state law is protecting two others that violated the same rules?
                    Did you read what I posted on the ruling? Have you followed the case? The NFL caught 8 guys a few years ago and did NOTHING. Not one was suspended. The judge referred to that in his ruling. It was also mentioned point blank in the federal ruling. The rules are applied arbitrarily already.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by red
                      this is ridiculous

                      what else can the nfl do about this?

                      can they make the queens forfeit games that the fat asses play in?

                      you can't allow one team to operate in a state where random testing isn't allowed. that means they can get away with whatever they want. can the nfl kick the team out of the nfl, or push for a move to LA?

                      they broke the rules, period. every other player from every other team can be suspended for doing the same thing. IMO the NFL absolutely can not allow one team to skirt the rules
                      If the NFL cannot abide by the law, haven't they broken the rules too? The two issues that Larson found the NFL in violation are easily remedied in the future. It has not made random testing impossible at all.
                      Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Rastak
                        Did you read what I posted on the ruling? Have you followed the case? The NFL caught 8 guys a few years ago and did NOTHING. Not one was suspended. The judge referred to that in his ruling. It was also mentioned point blank in the federal ruling. The rules are applied arbitrarily already.
                        So they aren't allowed to enforce a drug policy because they let some guys go in the past? Why don't you try that argument if you ever get pulled over for speeding..."I'm sorry officer, but the PD let 8 people off with only warnings last year so you can't write me at ticket." I bet that doesn't get you very far.

                        Baseball had many of their best players on steroids a few years ago and did almost nothing to enforce the steroid policy. I suppose that means that their decision to start enforcing the drug policy more forcefully lately might also be considered arbitrary. That doesn't mean it is the wrong thing to do.

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                        • #42
                          Looks like they're getting pretty good at working the legal system over there in Viking land:

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                          • #43
                            yeah, I am sure they have top notch lawyers too. I assume they know no matter what, in the end, they are most likely going to lose. I don't think they care. I think they like to find all the loopholes they can to not miss any games while they are still playing.

                            Honestly, I can't argue against that thought process. Even if they knew what was in Star Caps (they aren't the only ones, other players took it too), it still highly doubtful it had any effect on the field, or any negative effect health wise. So... it's all silly to begin with. According to the reports, they weren't even using them that long.

                            In teh end, I hope they don't get suspended and I hope #4 comes back. In fact, I almost hope #4 has a phenominal game against the packers.

                            That way it will make the victory that much sweeter. beating the vikings at full strength with favre at his best... there can be no sweeter reward.

                            Okay, maybe a pick 6 to end the game from ol' 4.

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                            • #44
                              yeah, I am sure they have top notch lawyers too. I assume they know no matter what, in the end, they are most likely going to lose. I don't think they care. I think they like to find all the loopholes they can to not miss any games while they are still playing.

                              Honestly, I can't argue against that thought process. Even if they knew what was in Star Caps (they aren't the only ones, other players took it too), it still highly doubtful it had any effect on the field, or any negative effect health wise. So... it's all silly to begin with. According to the reports, they weren't even using them that long.

                              In teh end, I hope they don't get suspended and I hope #4 comes back. In fact, I almost hope #4 has a phenominal game against the packers.

                              That way it will make the victory that much sweeter. beating the vikings at full strength with favre at his best... there can be no sweeter reward.

                              Okay, maybe a pick 6 to end the game from ol' 4.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by packerbacker1234
                                Even if they knew what was in Star Caps (they aren't the only ones, other players took it too), it still highly doubtful it had any effect on the field, or any negative effect health wise. So... it's all silly to begin with.
                                And Brian Cushing didn't benefit on the field from having hCG in his system either. Both butamide and hCG are illegal because they are related to steroid use. Butamide is a steroid masking agent.

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