Bedard article on Finley (yikes)

[RashanGary]

Well, there we go. Jolly will not be a Packer after this year unless it's for less than 2 mil per year.

A guy like Jolly has value but not a lot. He's a good player but a bad guy that can hurt yoru lockerroom and cannot be counted on because you will always be waiting for the next suspension.

If he's going to be with the Packers, it's going to be for a small, incentive based deal. More than likely, he'll get angry that he's not getting what he's worth and go somewhere else for less than hes worth, then blow up there.

Cletidus Hunt, literally. The question is, do we pay him the way Sherman paid Cedidus? My money is on, "no".

On a side note, I could see the Packers starting to look at a long term deal with Jenkins. I think Tramon will get a deal this offseason. I don't think Jenkins has as much of a chance as Tramon, but after this, his chances went way up.

[falco]

Wow. You really have to start questioning Jolly's future with the packers.

[falco]

In fact, this is the sort of BS that leads to suspensions from the commish. Once you have a track record like this, he's shown a willingness to suspend without a conviction.

[Tarlam!]

Breaks my heart to read this about the guy. He was more than just decent last season. He really stepped ut.

Now this.

I'm gaining a bit of personal experience these days as to why people behave irrationally. Why would a 6th rounder with a great future just screw up like this and risk millions of dollars and life long financial security?

The answer according to my shrink is a deep, hidden filial love. He described it as Taliban-like. Hidden, difficult to detect, impossible to assault with Stealth Bombers, like Freudian phsychiatry) etc, capable of sabotaging the most sensitive areas of your defense.

The more I learn about the way we humans tick, what drives us to do the things we do, the more I think the NFL should build a big clinic in the hills to treat people like Jolly, Pacman et al.

In fact, they should put the rookie class through 2-3 weeks of soul searching so these outbreaks become less frequent.

[vince]

Well, there we go. Jolly will not be a Packer after this year unless it's for less than 2 mil per year.

A guy like Jolly has value but not a lot. He's a good player but a bad guy that can hurt yoru lockerroom and cannot be counted on because you will always be waiting for the next suspension.

If he's going to be with the Packers, it's going to be for a small, incentive based deal. More than likely, he'll get angry that he's not getting what he's worth and go somewhere else for less than hes worth, then blow up there.

Cletidus Hunt, literally. The question is, do we pay him the way Sherman paid Cedidus? My money is on, "no".

On a side note, I could see the Packers starting to look at a long term deal with Jenkins. I think Tramon will get a deal this offseason. I don't think Jenkins has as much of a chance as Tramon, but after this, his chances went way up.

Jenkins will be 30 at the end of this year and someone please correct me if this is wrong, but he seems to wear down as the year progresses even in his 20's. If Wilson and Neal show the potential they seem to possess, there's a decent chance that neither of these guys will be re-upped.

I don't like the idea of sinking millions into a guy who has no discipline back at home or a 30 year-old who wears down and is likely to decline further.

[vince]

They're going to take a hair follicle for drug testing from Jolly. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he's clean, but that would be a good sign for him if he is. Then if he gets out of the charges in the end and comes back to produce, he could be right back in the good graces of Packer fans. But that looks like a big if at the moment.

[falco]

the more I think the NFL should build a big clinic in the hills to treat people like Jolly, Pacman et al.

What a contradiction to your views on drug addicts!

[Tarlam!]

the more I think the NFL should build a big clinic in the hills to treat people like Jolly, Pacman et al.

What a contradiction to your views on drug addicts!

Help me remember what my views are, Falco

[falco]

let's not rehab druggies. Let's give them their stuff till they die of natural causes. Let's not involve really really expensive therapies. Let's accet they are today's lepers, put them into the most comfortable environment they can be in on taxpayers' money and wait for them to expire.

[pbmax]

In fact, this is the sort of BS that leads to suspensions from the commish. Once you have a track record like this, he's shown a willingness to suspend without a conviction.

I don't think so in this case. The drug offense will fall under the Drug and Alcohol Policy and that does not give the commissioner the same authority as the Personal Conduct Policy does. His hands may be tied because of the nature of the offense. If he should commit a crime of a different nature while screwing this up, then Goodell might be able to act.

[falco]

In fact, this is the sort of BS that leads to suspensions from the commish. Once you have a track record like this, he's shown a willingness to suspend without a conviction.

I don't think so in this case. The drug offense will fall under the Drug and Alcohol Policy and that does not give the commissioner the same authority as the Personal Conduct Policy does. His hands may be tied because of the nature of the offense. If he should commit a crime of a different nature while screwing this up, then Goodell might be able to act.

I'm ignorant on this point. Does a conviction on drug charges fall under the same umbrella as a positive drug test? I would have assumed it fell under the PCP (no pun intended), especially if it is considered an "intent to deliver."

[pbmax]

In fact, this is the sort of BS that leads to suspensions from the commish. Once you have a track record like this, he's shown a willingness to suspend without a conviction.

I don't think so in this case. The drug offense will fall under the Drug and Alcohol Policy and that does not give the commissioner the same authority as the Personal Conduct Policy does. His hands may be tied because of the nature of the offense. If he should commit a crime of a different nature while screwing this up, then Goodell might be able to act.

I'm ignorant on this point. Does a conviction on drug charges fall under the same umbrella as a positive drug test? I would have assumed it fell under the PCP (no pun intended), especially if it is considered an "intent to deliver."

I am not iron-clad certain, but I am confident it falls under the Drug and Alcohol Policy. Now if he HAD sold it, or hit another car while on it or knocked off a convenience store to buy more, then you get to the Personal Conduct Policy.

[falco]

Thanks PB. I'll bow to your infinite wisdom on this one.

Jolly is lucky he had such a stellar year last year. Its probably the only thing saving his neck to this point.

[sharpe1027]

I don't think so in this case. The drug offense will fall under the Drug and Alcohol Policy and that does not give the commissioner the same authority as the Personal Conduct Policy does. His hands may be tied because of the nature of the offense. If he should commit a crime of a different nature while screwing this up, then Goodell might be able to act.

Wouldn't violating the terms of your bail fall under Personal Conduct?

[Tarlam!]

let's not rehab druggies. Let's give them their stuff till they die of natural causes. Let's not involve really really expensive therapies. Let's accet they are today's lepers, put them into the most comfortable environment they can be in on taxpayers' money and wait for them to expire.

Just goes to show you what a dickhead I can be. When did I write that? I'd like to look at that thread.

My point in this thread isn't about "druggies" per sé, but I can see how you'd make a logical connection. The difference to me is that druggies generally slide due to their socio-ecomic environment. I'm labelling the drug addicts that kill and mame, steal and rob "druggies".

Millionaire athletes often come from that environment, but they've been given the opportunity to relocate into the upper class.