Interesting article on broken tackles

[Bossman641]

Don't have time to discuss, but I thought this article was insightful and provides some good backup for those who think Grant is nothing special.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/12716/tracing-broken-tackles-in-the-nfc-north

[mission]

Re: Interesting article on broken tackles

Don't have time to discuss, but I thought this article was insightful and provides some good backup for those who think Grant is nothing special.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...-the-nfc-north

Pretty much what most of us have been saying all along. It doesn't take a group of scientists to see that Ryan Grant just doesn't make many people miss.

He's consistent, you can count on him -- I'd rather have him than a lot of guys -- but the whole AP comparisons were really just getting out of hand.

[packerbacker1234]

Re: Interesting article on broken tackles

Don't have time to discuss, but I thought this article was insightful and provides some good backup for those who think Grant is nothing special.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...-the-nfc-north

Pretty much what most of us have been saying all along. It doesn't take a group of scientists to see that Ryan Grant just doesn't make many people miss.

He's consistent, you can count on him -- I'd rather have him than a lot of guys -- but the whole AP comparisons were really just getting out of hand.

Ryan Grant is just the right sort of guy for a passing team. He's consistent, doesn't turn it over, he's alright in the passing game, decent blocker... just isn't spectacular. Lets the passing game be the highlight of the team and supplements it well.

Really, I couldn't ask for more from Grant. He fits with us nicely.

[channtheman]

Re: Interesting article on broken tackles

Don't have time to discuss, but I thought this article was insightful and provides some good backup for those who think Grant is nothing special.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...-the-nfc-north

Pretty much what most of us have been saying all along. It doesn't take a group of scientists to see that Ryan Grant just doesn't make many people miss.

He's consistent, you can count on him -- I'd rather have him than a lot of guys -- but the whole AP comparisons were really just getting out of hand.

Clearly Grant is so far above and beyond AP that the comparisons are just asinine.

Honestly though, I think that you can compare the two. I don't think AP is as good as advertised, though he is good. His fumbling problem is huge knock against him.

[Joemailman]

Re: Interesting article on broken tackles

Don't have time to discuss, but I thought this article was insightful and provides some good backup for those who think Grant is nothing special.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/pos...-the-nfc-north

Pretty much what most of us have been saying all along. It doesn't take a group of scientists to see that Ryan Grant just doesn't make many people miss.

He's consistent, you can count on him -- I'd rather have him than a lot of guys -- but the whole AP comparisons were really just getting out of hand.

Ryan Grant is just the right sort of guy for a passing team. He's consistent, doesn't turn it over, he's alright in the passing game, decent blocker... just isn't spectacular. Lets the passing game be the highlight of the team and supplements it well.

Really, I couldn't ask for more from Grant. He fits with us nicely.

It would be nice if he were a better pass receiver. He's average-at-best there. That's the only real negative with him.

[Scott Campbell]

Hmmm. This metric would seem to favor backs with poor "vision" that have to get yardage by running though people instead of seeing holes and utilizing their blocks.

[packerbacker1234]

Hmmm. This metric would seem to favor backs with poor "vision" that have to get yardage by running though people instead of seeing holes and utilizing their blocks.

Thats part of it too I'm sure. Backs that can break tackles are great to ahve, backs with good vision who can avoid contact are better.

[The Leaper]

Grant is a mediocre RB...he's just fortunate to play on a team with a high octane passing game, otherwise he'd be lucky to get 800 yards a year.

I've seen Ryan Grant...it isn't that he has great "vision" to see holes and utilize blocks. The guy goes down way too easily on first contact, which is why he doesn't break any tackles. In the NFL, you have to break tackles as a RB to be an elite back...unless you have an uber OL. Clearly, we don't have that OL...so Grant is SOL.

[packerbacker1234]

Grant is a mediocre RB...he's just fortunate to play on a team with a high octane passing game, otherwise he'd be lucky to get 800 yards a year.

I've seen Ryan Grant...it isn't that he has great "vision" to see holes and utilize blocks. The guy goes down way too easily on first contact, which is why he doesn't break any tackles. In the NFL, you have to break tackles as a RB to be an elite back...unless you have an uber OL. Clearly, we don't have that OL...so Grant is SOL.

4.4 ypc is good numbers. AP and Stephen Jackson both had 4.4 ypc last season as well. Are below average guys?

Grant looked good second half of the year after Green showed up. I definitely would not mind us bringing Green back if that keeps a fire under his ass. Green was running hard for us, even in limited time due to the pulled hammy.

[Bossman641]

Didn't intend to turn this into another thread about Grant. I was more surprised at the offense's low ranking in broken tackles. Between Jennings and Driver I thought there would be more.

Also, I am impressed, but not surprised, by how solid the defense was in making the tackle.

[Packgator]

"Interesting article on broken tackles"

I thought this was a thread about Tauscher and Clifton.

[Guiness]

4.4 ypc is good numbers. AP and Stephen Jackson both had 4.4 ypc last season as well. Are below average guys?

Say it along with me...
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

Grant is a good back, and fits our scheme well, although a better receiver would be good. But despite what the #'s say, he's not SJ or AP.

[Smidgeon]

For top 15 starting running backs, Grant is average. For running backs in general, he's pretty darn good.

[bobblehead]

4.4 ypc is good numbers. AP and Stephen Jackson both had 4.4 ypc last season as well. Are below average guys?

Say it along with me...
Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics.

Grant is a good back, and fits our scheme well, although a better receiver would be good. But despite what the #'s say, he's not SJ or AP.

Statistics NEVER lie, only those that tell you what the statistic means. In this case someone claiming that YPC means the backs are equals. clearly Jamaal Charles of the chiefs who got 1100 yards on 5.9 YPC was superior to chris Johnson last year who only got 5.6 YPC.

[3irty1]

Wanting more than Ryan Grant is damn greedy. He takes most of the yards that are there and doesn't turn it over. Unless you are depending on your running back single handedly winning games for you (which means the rest of your team sucks) Ryan Grant is everything you need.

And really his size:speed ratio is among the best in the biz.