Trouble in the Dells

[BlueBrewer]

Underwood confirmed...31 and 33 year old women. The age of the women makes it even fishier in my mind, at that age they should be able to know a bad situation when they see one and not a have a non-consenual three way under duress. It will be interesting to hear the facts come out.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/95693179.html

[pbmax]

Use your own criteria then PB.

I wasn't throwing darts at anyone. I was eliminating those who I thought were likely not involved because of their high character, intelligence and/or moral compass based on their past observed behavior and what they've said over the course of their career in Green Bay. When you watch and read about these guys and listen to them speak in the locker room, you get information about them as people. Over time, you get enough to form an opinion about their character. We have some information about Jolly, Finley, Driver, Jennings, etc. in order to have a sense of who they are as people. You can choose to ignore that information if you want to. That's certainly your prerogative.

One of the Packers that attended the event was involved. That's an undeniable fact. Those I didn't eliminate I didn't know enough about, so I didn't eliminate them. I was stating who I thought it wasn't - not who I thought it was. And I certainly wasn't taking anyone's freedom away.

I would complain more but it appears you hit with Underwood.

But you did have a 3 out of seven (or eight?) chance.

[Joemailman]

Interesting quote from Brandon Underwood earlier this week:

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20100603/PKR07/100603105/1058/PKR01/Mike-Vandermause-column--Packers-put-faith-in-young-cornerbacks

Underwood said some of his improvement stems from valuable lessons he learned from Woodson and Harris.

“It’s about being a professional,” Underwood said.

“You have so much more down time. It’s all about what you do with your down time.”

Underwood has been spending a lot of his time in the weight room and paying more attention to small details like eating right and getting enough sleep.

“Your body is how you get paid, so you have to take care of your body and all the little things that go with it,” he said.

[vince]

Use your own criteria then PB.

I wasn't throwing darts at anyone. I was eliminating those who I thought were likely not involved because of their high character, intelligence and/or moral compass based on their past observed behavior and what they've said over the course of their career in Green Bay. When you watch and read about these guys and listen to them speak in the locker room, you get information about them as people. Over time, you get enough to form an opinion about their character. We have some information about Jolly, Finley, Driver, Jennings, etc. in order to have a sense of who they are as people. You can choose to ignore that information if you want to. That's certainly your prerogative.

One of the Packers that attended the event was involved. That's an undeniable fact. Those I didn't eliminate I didn't know enough about, so I didn't eliminate them. I was stating who I thought it wasn't - not who I thought it was. And I certainly wasn't taking anyone's freedom away.

I would complain more but it appears you hit with Underwood.

But you did have a 3 out of seven (or eight?) chance.

Chalk it up to luck. I certainly agree that there's more we don't know about these guys than we do. Unfortunately, even people we do know well can surprise us.

[Fritz]

I guess we'll have to wait until more of the story to come out.

Exactly! And you may want to wait for that time to call anyone a whore as well.

Why? According to gbbpackfan, calling someone a whore is not necessarily a an insult.

Thus, if I were to call gbpackfan's mom a whore... Or his girlfriend a whore (assuming gbpackfan is male and heterosexual)...that doesn't mean I'm insulting anyone!

[Scott Campbell]

Excerpt from PFT:

Buried within the article by Lee Bergquist and Greg A. Bedard was a potentially damning statement regarding Underwood.

"Several players who wished to remain anonymous said he had been a problem since he was drafted in the sixth round in 2009 out of Cincinnati," the article reads.

[gbpackfan]

I guess we'll have to wait until more of the story to come out.

Exactly! And you may want to wait for that time to call anyone a whore as well.

Why? According to gbbpackfan, calling someone a whore is not necessarily a an insult.

Thus, if I were to call gbpackfan's mom a whore... Or his girlfriend a whore (assuming gbpackfan is male and heterosexual)...that doesn't mean I'm insulting anyone!

Ha ha. Now that's the spirit!

[bobblehead]

I guess we'll have to wait until more of the story to come out.

Exactly! And you may want to wait for that time to call anyone a whore as well.

Why? According to gbbpackfan, calling someone a whore is not necessarily a an insult.

Thus, if I were to call gbpackfan's mom a whore... Or his girlfriend a whore (assuming gbpackfan is male and heterosexual)...that doesn't mean I'm insulting anyone!

I'm a whore....well, if I could get anyone to pay me I would be.

On another note, too bad young guys think with their dicks. My initial reaction is that he banged them, then wanted nothing more to do with them so they are getting even with him for treating them like whores. I could be way off though.

I also read the comment that SC posted....it doesn't bode well for underwood. Even if all he is guilty of is bad judgement, it will haunt him. Look, I get it, young, hormones raging, feeling invulnerable, but FFS man, learn from history. Carry a video recorder and get them saying they are consenting to sex before you do it....my fucking phone is capable of that.

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Sounds like he was about to have a threesome with two women 8-10 years older than him. He hit the jackpot for a 23 year-old. Some of you need to get off your high horses. Did you not go to college?

The police certainly don't seem to be making a big deal about it. Yet.


What if this were another Ben Rothelisberger(sp?) type player? ESPN would be having a field day I'm sure.

[gbpackfan]

WOW, LOOK AT THIS!

FRITZ, GRNBAY007, JOEMAILMAN - IM WAITING FOR YOUR APOLOGY!

THEY WERE WHORES! When your right, your right. Now type those two little words you three. IM SORRY! :P


"WTMJ's Bill Michaels reports Brandon Underwood won't be charged with sexual assault, but could be charged w/ solicitation of prostitution."

http://twitter.com/packer_update

[Bretsky]

WOW, LOOK AT THIS!

FRITZ, GRNBAY007, JOEMAILMAN - IM WAITING FOR YOUR APOLOGY!

THEY WERE WHORES! When your right, your right. Now type those two little words you three. IM SORRY! :P


"WTMJ's Bill Michaels reports Brandon Underwood won't be charged with sexual assault, but could be charged w/ solicitation of prostitution."


http://twitter.com/packer_update

Not Barry Sanders 4 sure

[GrnBay007]

WOW, LOOK AT THIS!

FRITZ, GRNBAY007, JOEMAILMAN - IM WAITING FOR YOUR APOLOGY!

THEY WERE WHORES! When your right, your right. Now type those two little words you three. IM SORRY! :P


"WTMJ's Bill Michaels reports Brandon Underwood won't be charged with sexual assault, but could be charged w/ solicitation of prostitution."


http://twitter.com/packer_update

This is funny...but I'll play along.

First off, why should I apologize? I simply asked for you to wait until the story unfolded before you started calling anyone a "whore". Seems like the logical thing to do....unless you have an agenda.

And I will add....It's a lil disturbing that you use the word "whore" so freely describing the horrible actions of those women in an attempt to excuse the behavior of idiotic, slutty, douch-bag behavior of Mr. Underwood. I'm happy that you are so relieved they are "whores". I'm disappointed, you as as a man, are relieved by his actions, as a married man doing what he did as a reason to rejoice and be justified in calling those women "whores".

I could care less what the Packer organization does, I sure hope Mrs. Underwood had all his clothes stuffed in garbage bags (yes there is a special meaning to putting them in garbage bags) in the garage when he arrived home. I hope she contacted an attorney the moment she found out and I hope she takes every cent from him she can. If she doesn't, she's a fool and deserves the jackass.

[gbpackfan]

WOW, LOOK AT THIS!

FRITZ, GRNBAY007, JOEMAILMAN - IM WAITING FOR YOUR APOLOGY!

THEY WERE WHORES! When your right, your right. Now type those two little words you three. IM SORRY! :P


"WTMJ's Bill Michaels reports Brandon Underwood won't be charged with sexual assault, but could be charged w/ solicitation of prostitution."


http://twitter.com/packer_update

This is funny...but I'll play along.

First off, why should I apologize? I simply asked for you to wait until the story unfolded before you started calling anyone a "whore". Seems like the logical thing to do....unless you have an agenda.

And I will add....It's a lil disturbing that you use the word "whore" so freely describing the horrible actions of those women in an attempt to excuse the behavior of idiotic, slutty, douch-bag behavior of Mr. Underwood. I'm happy that you are so relieved they are "whores". I'm disappointed, you as as a man, are relieved by his actions, as a married man doing what he did as a reason to rejoice and be justified in calling those women "whores".

I could care less what the Packer organization does, I sure hope Mrs. Underwood had all his clothes stuffed in garbage bags (yes there is a special meaning to putting them in garbage bags) in the garage when he arrived home. I hope she contacted an attorney the moment she found out and I hope she takes every cent from him she can. If she doesn't, she's a fool and deserves the jackass.

Holy Christ! Talk about over analyzing the shit out of something. Relax. Oh, and you do owe me an apology, but don't worry - I knew you three wouldn't give me one.

[RashanGary]

There are posters whos MO is to get confrontational and jump down your throat.

I don't know how old you are, gbpackfan, but I'd guess younger than 25. Like Underwood, you are dealing with a grizzled vet here, who knows how to play this game.

You made a mistake with how you worded that, but there's an unmentionable word out there that fits pretty well with the type of nasty you see on these boards. Just avoid it. They want to take you down, hurt you for the hurt they've had in the past. Let her deal with it or live with it. Don't take it on for her.

Admit your mistake, don't worry about what she says to you, don't expect her to take responsibilty for how she treats others becuase you can't control that and move on. You'll be glad you did and nobody hates you here. There are a couple people who hate themselves and want you to hate yourself too.

[gbpackfan]

There are posters whos MO is to get confrontational and jump down your throat.

I don't know how old you are, gbpackfan, but I'd guess younger than 25. Like Underwood, you are dealing with a grizzled vet here, who knows how to play this game.

You made a mistake with how you worded that, but there's an unmentionable word out there that fits pretty well with the type of nasty you see on these boards. Just avoid it.

I don't know anything about unmentionable words but I have noticed there are a lot of uptight people around here lately. Calm down, it was all in good fun. I never called any poster a whore, I only called the whores, whores.

People need to lighten up a little.