How long will he be a Packer?

[Fritz]

Well Patler, I would not call Mike McCarthy a liar.

I will wait and to see the evidence on the field during the preseason.

We'll all wait to see, I just thought a poll of people's feelings might be interesting. Just my opinion as of now, but I think he is a goner. Personally, I hope the kid learns, keeps his nose clean, and becomes a better player than a 6th rounder is expected to be.

I never felt the same way about Jolly. I expected the team would hang on to him until they had no real choice. Of course, his problems came after his second season and after he had showed performance on the field. But I got a different sense about him from the team even early on. They talked about his effort on the field as a rookie, and that in GB he was all about football. They mentioned early that his problems came when he got around influences from his younger years.

I sensed real frustration with Underwood last year, when they really needed him to step up. It was a golden opportunity for him with all the injuries, and I sensed that he did little to take advantage of that opportunity.

Now he puts himself and six teammates in a bad situation at a function they attended as Packers. It wasn't him on his own time, so to speak. He was there in his role as a Packer, even if it was after the event. The team (coaches, GM, etc.) will take it a little more personally than they would have if he was simply on his own when he did it.

Put it all together, and I just don't see a lot of patience or tolerance coming his way.

I can't help but think if ol' Max McGee or maybe Paul Hornung would've been able to be with Underwood that night, there'd be a lot more "boys will be boys" talk than there is now.

[Gunakor]

If Goodell doesn't suspend Underwood he ain't going anywhere. The last thing MM wants to do is start the season one DB short if he doesn't have to. If BU is suspended I bet MM and TT look for someone else and cut ties but if BU's eligible to suit up he's going to suit up for Green Bay.

If there's no criminal punishment and no league punishment then this is a private matter between he and his family. The Packers should stay out of that one, and I would expect them to.

[mission]

I do want to mention that I hope he is not released/traded regardless of what Goodell decides to do to him.

He wasn't doing anything out of the norm for an NFL player, unfortunately, and I'd hate to lose a guy on the rise for image purposes. We have a long way to go before becoming the Bengals. Let's keep this in perspective (although reading JSO headlines on their front Packer page... that's pretty tough to do)

[Patler]

I am a bit surprised at all the positive talk on here about Underwood's talent, performance, how much he is needed, etc. When did he show it?

Wasn't Ford playing ahead of him last year until he strained his knee?
Wasn't Bell playing ahead of him last year, even at the end of the season?
Didn't the Packers move Bush from safety back to corner in part because Underwood gave them nothing at corner?

Did Underwood suddenly become a "player" by attending off season workouts?
Did he leapfrog all the guys who were ahead of him last season by lifting weights?
What did he do last year to gain the confidence of so many of you?

I had more hope for him right after the draft a year ago than I did at the end of the season, after reading what the coaches had to say about his lack of development. Corner after corner went down with injuries, and Underwood didn't seem to see the opportunities it gave him.

I sincerely hope I am wrong, but I think he has a long way to go to make the team on performance alone.

MM's comments were well & good, but related to his off season workouts. It had nothing to do with his ability to actually play corner. It seemed to portend a new attitude, increased maturity. Still doesn't mean he can cover anyone, or recognize his coverage responsibilities. In view of his latest escapade, I have to question if he really has changed his attitude or matured.

[Fritz]

Patler, I think people are ascribing Underwood's lack of playing time last year to immaturity and not grasping the system rather than a lack of talent.

The hope of course is that if he's talented he can mature and grow and learn the system. But if he was mature and knew the system but didn't play, well, he won't be able to grow any talent.

So people are being hopeful. I am trying to be.

[Patler]

Patler, I think people are ascribing Underwood's lack of playing time last year to immaturity and not grasping the system rather than a lack of talent.

The hope of course is that if he's talented he can mature and grow and learn the system. But if he was mature and knew the system but didn't play, well, he won't be able to grow any talent.

So people are being hopeful. I am trying to be.

Ya, I understand all that; but sometimes the solidarity we develop behind a guy who showed nothing and was questioned by the coaches for his effort surprises me.

The guy I am holding out hope for is Lee.

I haven't seen or heard anything special about Underwood that makes him stand out as a 6th round pick. The low draft picks that become something are often the guys like Driver and Tauscher, who have unquestioned work ethics and dedication to their profession.

I am more hopeful for Ford and Bell than I am for Underwood. They seem to have better approaches to their jobs.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I voted he'll make the final roster, but I did it based on snippets of seeing him play in games last year, not on the Lake Delton thing.

I just learned of his legal situation. It's bad. I was a huge Underwood fan going into this season, expecting that he would "break out" during his sophomore year.

I don't know Underwood from Adam. He showed enough character to apologize to his teammates. Other than that, his attitude is unknown to me.

As to coachs' comments about him. McStubby stood by his comments according to an article yesterday. It might still be smoke. Who knows? Maybe negative comments expressed by other coaches were motivational too and just smoke.

I like Underwood because during the few times I've seen him on the field he displayed raw speed and the ability to stick it to opponents. I assumed his problems cracking the lineup were mental, i.e., picking up the system and translating book knowledge into field reactions.

I still think he'll make the team and -- now I go way out on a limb -- I wouldn't be shocked to seem him start a game or two later on.

[Scott Campbell]

I am a bit surprised at all the positive talk on here about Underwood's talent, performance, how much he is needed, etc. When did he show it?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/96016814.html

"Underwood practiced Wednesday at the starting right cornerback spot opposite Pat Lee, in place of regular starters Al Harris and Charles Woodson. With Tramon Williams not practicing either, Underwood's placement is an indication of how highly the team considers his potential."



Al is coming off an injury and is old. And we didn't draft any corners this year at an area where depth is critical. So much of my feelings on Underwood is wishful thinking. We need somebody to step up, and I really don't care who.

[pbmax]

Bretsky is not commenting on the 3sum until the charges have been cleared

I think Underwood was sold a bill of goods. It was only a threesome if you include the girl with his wallet.

I think Underwood could easily be the 5th best CB. And he may be the 4th, if only due to the health unreliability of Lee. If they keep only four safeties this year, he is staying. he might even stay if they keep 5 safeties and Lee is hurt.

[Scott Campbell]

[Comment From GuestGuest: ]
Is Underwood going to be cut in the off season, whether or not he is charged with anything?
Thursday June 10, 2010 12:03 Guest
12:04


Rob Demovsky:
Given the Packers' situation at cornerback with guys coming off injuries -- Harris and Lee -- and Blackmon moving to safety (although I suppose he could always move back to corner), I would be surprised if Underwood gets cut. Suspended maybe.

[Fritz]

Who would suspend him? The league? I can't imagine the Packers suspending a guy who sounds like he needs all the reps he could get.

[Scott Campbell]

I think it totally depends on what comes out of this. I haven't seen anything yet though to make me think he's facing suspension. So I think it will take something else being piled on in order for him to get a league or team response.

[Fritz]

Now reports come out that "money was exchanged." But none of the reports I've seen say who was giving whom the money.

Was he paying them for sex? Were they paying him for sex? Was he paying them for a t-shirt he bought? Were they paying him for his autograph?

What happened?

[mission]

Now reports come out that "money was exchanged." But none of the reports I've seen say who was giving whom the money.

Was he paying them for sex? Were they paying him for sex? Was he paying them for a t-shirt he bought? Were they paying him for his autograph?

What happened?

Obviously one of the latter two.

[denverYooper]

Now reports come out that "money was exchanged." But none of the reports I've seen say who was giving whom the money.

Was he paying them for sex? Were they paying him for sex? Was he paying them for a t-shirt he bought? Were they paying him for his autograph?

What happened?

Ahhh, the beauty of the Passive Voice.