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[ThunderDan]

I heard that Bush is actually really good on special teams - if thats the case I don't mind him being here, just don't want to see him on hte field defensively.

We've been hearing that for years. Unfortunately there is no video evidence to collaborate that claim.

Sure there is. Here is Jarrett Bush earning his reputation as a great special teams player by being involved in two turnovers in a game we won by 3 that started the amazing 2007 season. In the first play on this video, you'll see Bush deliver a gorgeous hit to force a muffed punt that gets recovered for a TD to start the game. Then check the 1:30 mark where he recovers another muffed punt to set up the game winning FG. He also had three tackles on other special teams plays in that game-
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-h...s-16-Eagles-13

I stand corrected. 3 seasons ago, Bush apparently had a noteworthy game on ST.

You'll have to forgive me for forgetting through the haze of countless overruns, regular disappearances into The Void for weeks at a time, and various occurrences of being blocked into the locker room.

You forgot the getting called for offsides twice on the same punt and having MM yank him off the field.

[Joemailman]

The reason Bush may be in trouble is that Derrick Martin replaced him last year as their special teams ace. The Packers have moved Blackmon to safety, so they're apparently not thrilled with Bush's progress there.

I wonder about some of those numbers though in Vince's post. Could the fact that the Packers had a punter who kicked neither long nor high make some of the Packers look worse than they really are?

[vince]

Here's the list filtered to include Packers only. A fair number of Packers graded out positively, led by Giordano, Kuhn, Martin, and Swain.

1 Matt Giordano GB 3 2.5 2.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 3 2 0
2 John Kuhn GB 7 2.0 1.5 1.5 0.0 -1.0 1-0 7 1 0
2 Derrick Martin GB 10 2.0 3.5 1.5 0.0 -3.0 3-0 18 1 1
2 Brett Swain GB 2 2.0 2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 2 0 0
5 Korey Hall GB 5 1.5 1.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 8 1 1
5 Brandon Chillar GB 3 1.5 2.0 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 4 0 0
7 Spencer Havner GB 11 1.0 3.5 -0.5 0.0 -2.0 2-0 14 0 1
7 Josh Bell GB 1 1.0 0.5 0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 2 0 0
7 Tramon Williams GB 12 1.0 1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 7 0 0
7 Desmond Bishop GB 12 1.0 2.0 1.0 0.0 -2.0 2-0 10 3 2
11 Brett Goode GB 3 0.5 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 3 0 0
11 Brad Jones GB 5 0.5 1.5 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 5 1 1
11 Brady Poppinga GB 9 0.5 2.5 0.5 0.0 -2.5 3-0 10 1 0
11 Trevor Ford GB 2 0.5 0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 2 0 0
11 Nick Collins GB 5 0.5 1.5 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-1 5 0 0
11 James Jones GB 1 0.5 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
17 Deshawn Wynn GB 2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 2 0 0
17 A.J. Hawk GB 5 0.0 0.5 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 4 1 0
17 Ahman Green GB 2 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
17 Matt Flynn GB 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
17 Jeremy Kapinos GB 15 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 1-0 1 0 1
17 Ryan Grant GB 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 1 0
17 Johnny Jolly GB 1 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
17 Jordy Nelson GB 10 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
17 Mason Crosby GB 16 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 3 0 3
17 Brandon Jackson GB 3 0.0 0.5 0.0 0.0 -0.5 1-0 2 0 0
27 Will Blackmon GB 3 -0.5 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 1 0 1
28 Cyril Obiozor GB 2 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 1 0 0
28 Atari Bigby GB 1 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 0 0 0
28 Jeremy Thompson GB 2 -1.0 -0.5 -0.5 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
28 Clay Matthews GB 1 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 0 0 0
28 Jarius Wynn GB 2 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 0 0 0
28 Quinn Johnson GB 1 -1.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -1.0 1-0 0 0 0
34 Brandon Underwood GB 4 -1.5 0.5 1.0 0.0 -3.0 3-1 4 3 0
34 Mark Tauscher GB 1 -1.5 -1.5 0.0 0.0 0.0 0-0 0 0 0
36 Evan Dietrich-Smith GB 2 -2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -2.0 2-0 0 0 0
36 Mike Montgomery GB 2 -2.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 -2.0 2-0 0 0 0
38 Jarrett Bush GB 7 -4.5 0.0 -0.5 0.0 -4.0 4-0 5 0 1

[get louder at lambeau]

The thing that comprises almost all of Bush's bad rating at profootballfocus.com is his penalty rating. That accounts for -4.0 of his -4.5. Obviously that has been a problem for him. I think he's a little on the "dumb, hyperactive little kid" side, personally. I still say he makes the roster though.

As far as moving Blackmon to safety being an indictment of Bush, I doubt it. If it was, he wouldn't be playing above Underwood on the CB depth chart right now.

[swede]

Oops. The software cut off my post. Here's the rest of the list.

1129 Ike Taylor PIT 5 -4.5 -0.5 0.0 0.0 -4.0 4-1 1 0 0
1129 Jarrett Bush GB 7 -4.5 0.0 -0.5 0.0 -4.0 4-0 5 0 1
1132 Tony Fiammetta CAR 6 -5.0 -2.0 0.0 0.0 -3.0 3-0 0 0 2

BWah Ha HA hA!

If that wasn't deliberate comic timing it was serendipitous.

I hope Jarret Bush got a certificate suitable for framing to celebrate his Special Team efforts.

[KYPack]

Jeeezus Key Riist, Vince!

What are ya gonna post next, the NYC phone book?

I looked thru that whole fuckin' post and Bush wasn't even in the first list?

I thought I was goin' blind!

His memorable play was 3 years ago? The guy is flat out not worth his salary.

[Joemailman]

Bush today was offsides on a field goal, and later made a great play to down a punt at the 1. Kind of a microcosm of his career. Ability hampered by inconsistency.

[packrulz]

Giordano is our stud special teams ace.

[get louder at lambeau]

Bush today was offsides on a field goal, and later made a great play to down a punt at the 1. Kind of a microcosm of his career. Ability hampered by inconsistency.

That's it in a nutshell. Kid is just a spazz. I'm sure his enthusiasm was on full display on both plays.

[Lurker64]

Giordano is our stud special teams ace.

We cut him on March 5th. He now plays for the Falcons. Maybe he's their special teams ace.

[Bretsky]

Last year our special teams sucked....so it's a good thing we went out and got..........................
well somebody fill in the blanks for me; at least we'll have a new punter

[mission]

The Packers have yet to announce the signing of any draft picks, but the roster size was at 79 before Friday’s transactions. With an 80-man limit, some players were bound to be released to make room for the signing of draft picks.

Harrell, the former Texas Tech star who threw for 5,111 yards and 45 touchdowns as a senior in 2008, was signed by the Packers May 20 after playing for the Saskatchewan Roughriders in the Canadian Football League last season. The Packers only kept two quarterbacks on their active roster in 2009. Harrell (6-foot-2, 215 pounds) is third on the depth chart behind Aaron Rodgers and Matt Flynn. Chris Pizzotti was released when Harrell signed.

“We really felt Graham came in and had a heck of a workout,” coach Mike McCarthy said after an organized team activity practice June 2. “He had the opportunity in Cleveland and had some very good college tape, and had some very good grades from our scouting department.

“I was impressed with his velocity. That’s something that was probably a little in question coming out of college in my opinion.”

Harrell had a workout with the Cleveland Browns before signing with Saskatchewan last year, then worked out for the Browns again this year before signing with the Packers.

Anyone else find it odd that they quote his college stats instead of his CFL stats?

I would think CFL is a bit more relevant - it is a pro league, and although it obviously isn't on par with NFL, it's more relevant than the college game! At least all the guys are getting paid (unlike college, where only some do )

I would guess it's because most in the US can better relate to college numbers than CFL numbers. Certainly in the CFL though, there's a more homegenous talent base, no Div IIA teams showing up for powderpuff home opener games.

Not odd at all. He didn't even really play in the CFL.

He went in there with a "vet" already at QB and supposedly never really got a chance to do his thing.

[red]

Bush is still on the roster.

Sigh.

Get used to it. He's not going anywhere.

he'll be on the roster as long as he can keep replacing his worn out kneepads

[Joemailman]

Last year our special teams sucked....so it's a good thing we went out and got..........................
well somebody fill in the blanks for me; at least we'll have a new punter

There are reasons why the Packers were 4-4 in the first half of last season, and 7-1 in the second half. One of the reasons was that the kickoff coverage was much improved in the second half. The Packers averaged giving up just over 20 YPR in the second half, with just one return over 40 yards. The Packers have replaced Kapinos, as you perhaps sardonically noted, which should help the punt coverage teams, as low, short kicks was a major problem last year. I know it's tempting to some to think that other teams castoffs are better than what the Packers have, but sometimes the best improvement comes from within. And sometimes a position coach can't cure a bad situation completely in his first season.

[pbmax]

ST coverage is less of a concern than returns. Perhaps those ST demons the Packers keep shuffling around at the back of the depth chart can tackle. But they seem to have problems blocking.

Either that or perhaps the returners are below average as well.

Actually, if you take both above situations and add in penalties, I think their sum is 32. Last in the league.