Jordy love

[mraynrand]

Jordy is faster than Jones if I'm not mistaken. I'd categorize Jones with Finley more than Jordy.

EDIT: They are both 4.55 guys, so I retract the speed comment. I see Nelson as more athletic and less stiff than Jones. Neither has a ton of juke, but I think Jordy's a more potent receiver.

Someone on her posted a while back (PB? Waldo? Lurker? Patler?) in response to who the fastest person on the team was. It was said by the poster that Tramon Williams had the best short speed and Jordy Nelson had the best long speed. So while at the combine Nelson and Jones may have both posted 4.55s, it appears they don't have the same type of speed.

Me, I like them both and can see (when DD hangs them up) them both pairing to complement Jennings. Jones in the slot and Nelson along the sideline.

I seem to recall that Clay Matthews has the best 10 yard time on the team. (I realize that comparing offense to defense here is not relevant, but what distance are you talking about when you say short speed?)

[get louder at lambeau]

Jordy is faster than Jones if I'm not mistaken. I'd categorize Jones with Finley more than Jordy.

EDIT: They are both 4.55 guys, so I retract the speed comment. I see Nelson as more athletic and less stiff than Jones. Neither has a ton of juke, but I think Jordy's a more potent receiver.

Someone on her posted a while back (PB? Waldo? Lurker? Patler?) in response to who the fastest person on the team was. It was said by the poster that Tramon Williams had the best short speed and Jordy Nelson had the best long speed. So while at the combine Nelson and Jones may have both posted 4.55s, it appears they don't have the same type of speed.

Me, I like them both and can see (when DD hangs them up) them both pairing to complement Jennings. Jones in the slot and Nelson along the sideline.

I seem to recall that Clay Matthews has the best 10 yard time on the team. (I realize that comparing offense to defense here is not relevant, but what distance are you talking about when you say short speed?)

I thought Nick Collins was the fastest guy on the roster. Too busy to look it up right now though.

[mraynrand]

Jordy is faster than Jones if I'm not mistaken. I'd categorize Jones with Finley more than Jordy.

EDIT: They are both 4.55 guys, so I retract the speed comment. I see Nelson as more athletic and less stiff than Jones. Neither has a ton of juke, but I think Jordy's a more potent receiver.

Someone on her posted a while back (PB? Waldo? Lurker? Patler?) in response to who the fastest person on the team was. It was said by the poster that Tramon Williams had the best short speed and Jordy Nelson had the best long speed. So while at the combine Nelson and Jones may have both posted 4.55s, it appears they don't have the same type of speed.

Me, I like them both and can see (when DD hangs them up) them both pairing to complement Jennings. Jones in the slot and Nelson along the sideline.

I seem to recall that Clay Matthews has the best 10 yard time on the team. (I realize that comparing offense to defense here is not relevant, but what distance are you talking about when you say short speed?)

I thought Nick Collins was the fastest guy on the roster. Too busy to look it up right now though.

I think you're right - with Clowney and Hawkins off the roster - but I think it still depends on distance. Collins probably has the fastest 40 time (4.34).

[HarveyWallbangers]

Are those times on Nelson and Jones legit combine times--because I'd be shocked if Nelson wasn't faster? There are things to like about Jones, but he runs like a TE.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Nelson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordy_Nelson

After the season, Nelson continued to improve his stock as one of the best wide receiver prospects in the 2008 NFL Draft. At the NFL Combine. Nelson showed he has speed running an official 4.47 in the 40 yd dash.

Jones

http://gnb.scout.com/2/639827.html

AGILITY TESTS
Campus: 4.59 in the 40-yard dash
Combine: 4.6 in the 40-yard dash

[vince]

I did a quick google search and didn't even click through. I just looked for some 40 numbers. I saw Jordy was listed somewhere at 4.54 I think and Jones was 4.56.

The numbers you found correspond better with the way I see them on the field, so I'm glad to see that. Thanks.

EDIT: Nelson's campus time was a bit slower than his combine it appears. Sorry for the sloppy reporting.

[Lurker64]

Jordy's 40-yard dash numbers are all over the place, since he suffered a knee injury in in college which he was able to play through but slowed him up a bit as such nagging injuries are apt to do.

Regardless, if you watch him play on the field his long speed is absolutely top notch, but his acceleration isn't great. Once he gets up to that fifth gear, there's not a lot of guys in the NFL that can catch him. He's not a one trick pony though, since his size, body control, and route running makes him pretty good across the middle too. He's not as tough or as savvy as Driver, but Driver's had years to perfect his craft and there aren't many receivers in the NFL that have much on Driver in terms of working the middle. Nelson may have the stickiest hands of all our receivers, and I could definitely see this being a breakout year for Jordy.

[RashanGary]

Jones, Jennings and Driver (in his prime more than now) are guys who rely on burst and short area quickness to get separation in tight quarters than they do on having length and the body to shield defenders.

I know people hate on Jones, but he's as explosive as they come. He gets separation. Maybe he doesn't separate as much as Jennings on deep stuff, but on routes, when he needs to cut, he's much quicker and agile than Nelson or Finley.

Driver - Quick, Agile, tough, reliable
Jennings - Quick, Agile, fast, great with deep stuff
Jones - Quick, Agile, strong, more yet to be determined

Finley - Big body, great hands, more deep speed than short area quickness
Jordy - Big body, great hands, more deep speed than short area quickness


One group is shorter, quicker more agile and better in short areas (although Jennings has deep speed to go with his short area quickness). The other group has big bodies, good deep speed and relies more on their body and hands in the short area than they do burst.

I stand by how I compared them. I think it's accurate and I still think a lot of people sell James Jones talent way short. He's an explosive athlete, the kind that translates perfectly to WR.

[Tarlam!]

Having as many pass threats as the Packers have creates great to have problems.

What I am beginning to notice as camp approaches is that the draft classes of the previous 3-4 years are maturing, albeit behind the scenes somewhat, to where they are legitimately playing with a "hey, sit up and take notice of me" quality.

I am only now beginning to fully appreciate the "build through the draft" philosophy. It's really quitze breath taking to watch the plan being executed.

Oh, and, GO JORDY!!!

[packerbacker1234]

Not sure why anyone thinks this will be a big year for Jordy Nelson. I understand all the reasons to like him - there are almost as many reasons to like Jones as well, who is the current #3 receiver and has also had one of his best camps ever.

However, until further notice....


Jennings, Driver, and Finley are going to get a majority of the catches. Jones will come in at #5 (after the RB) as he is the current "slot" guy. Nelson will get some chances here and there, but ultimately he wont see too much of the field on offense until driver retires, and that moves Nelson to the slot.

For now, Driver is still the 2nd best "wr" on the team, even with Nelsona nd Jones skills. Driver still has the play making ability to be a #1 for some teams - just look at his highlight reel last year. Driver just knows what to do out there in almost every situation. With him gaining movement back, he should be better this year barring injury.

Problem is, Driver wants to play for another what, 5 seasons? He most likely wont do that in GB, but how long do we keep him around in GB? If he has another 70 catch, 1,000+, 8td or so year, do we really start looking to life without him, or do we look to keep DD around 2 or 3 more years until he actually hits the wall?

And if we do keep DD around, is it possible to hold onto both jones and nelson the entire time, known that doing this means they wont get a shot to be big contributors until they are what.... 27... 28?

[Tarlam!]

Good points, 1234. One "flaw" in your thinking is the omission of the dreaded "i"-word. The Packers wide receivers have been remarkably robust the past few seasons. How long will that streak last?

[HarveyWallbangers]

Why I think this will be a breakout year for Jordy Nelson? Because I see him as being a lot like Houston's Kevin Walter, and it took Walter four years before he became a solid starting receiver. I think Jones is agile. I don't think he is as quick as Justin thinks he is. He has strong hands and makes tough catches, but he lacks concentration and drops too many balls. He's strong, but doesn't really break tackles. I still see them as I have the last couple of years. Right now, they are relatively similar, but I think Jordy will get better in the next couple of years. I think Jones is a bit limited and he is what he is. Two years from now, I think it's more likely that Nelson will be a solid starting receiver and Jones will be a solid third receiver because of speed limitations. Not that Jordy isn't limitied in quickness, but I think his other qualities trump Jones.

[RashanGary]

I'd call them dead even with Jones being more of a big play guy and Nelson being more consistent. I don't think Nelson will even have a better career. I think Jones is just as good, not just now, but overall talent.

Not saying I don't like Nelson though. I think both are starting caliber WR's.

[bobblehead]

Dammit, one time I saw Jones get hung up by a corner and I'm basing my opinion on that and I'm not changing it. I don't care how many James-Jones-goes-deep videos you show!

and Aaron Kampman is an overachiever no matter how many pro bowl tackles he schools.

[Bretsky]

Bring Back Wist

You guys are all drunk off of kool aide, very drunk