Jordy love

[MJZiggy]

Wist is busy predicting the collapse of the free world in FYI. I'm sure he'll be in here eventually.

[The Leaper]

I would agree with the notion that Jones and Nelson are about equal in terms of their talents...even though there seems to be some differences in who does what best. IMO, they are probably the best #3 and #4 WR tandem in the league...I think either guy could be a solid player as a #2 WR, although I don't think either has what it takes to be a #1.

It is a nice problem to have...and I wish our OL was good enough to allow us to get 4 or 5 receivers on the field once in awhile.

[Smidgeon]

Jordy is faster than Jones if I'm not mistaken. I'd categorize Jones with Finley more than Jordy.

EDIT: They are both 4.55 guys, so I retract the speed comment. I see Nelson as more athletic and less stiff than Jones. Neither has a ton of juke, but I think Jordy's a more potent receiver.

Someone on her posted a while back (PB? Waldo? Lurker? Patler?) in response to who the fastest person on the team was. It was said by the poster that Tramon Williams had the best short speed and Jordy Nelson had the best long speed. So while at the combine Nelson and Jones may have both posted 4.55s, it appears they don't have the same type of speed.

Me, I like them both and can see (when DD hangs them up) them both pairing to complement Jennings. Jones in the slot and Nelson along the sideline.

I seem to recall that Clay Matthews has the best 10 yard time on the team. (I realize that comparing offense to defense here is not relevant, but what distance are you talking about when you say short speed?)

I think the post I'm remembering is pre-Clay. But I think you're spot on in that Clay has the best short burst. At least, I remember him having an amazing 10yrd split (I think it was 1.49--strictly from memory so likely wrong). But I don't know what Tramon's was to compare either.

[Zool]

Nelsons straight line speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek0ANQ8bRfo

[packerbacker1234]

Good points, 1234. One "flaw" in your thinking is the omission of the dreaded "i"-word. The Packers wide receivers have been remarkably robust the past few seasons. How long will that streak last?

It's the #'s game my friend.

for passing options AHEAD of Nelson, you have...

Jennings, Finley, Driver, Grant, and most likely still Jones, who has done nothing but show he is a good WR. Thats 5 guys who will be getting catches AHEAD of Nelson.

You tell me, where is Nelson's opportunity? Even Jones is going to have limited chances with Jennings, Driver, and Finley all on the field, plus grant for the dump off (or whoever the backup RB ends up being).

Just saying, we may be great at spreading teh ball around, but lets be realistic. He is presently the #4 WR on a team that contains a STUD pass catching TE. He will NOT be on the field much this year unless we get a major injury to someone. Facts are facts.

[Lurker64]

Grant is not really a passing target in McCarthy's offense. He doesn't have good hands, and we hardly ever throw to running backs.

Driver, Finley, Jennings, and situationally Jones I'll grant you are ahead of Nelson, but McCarthy is going to get everything he can out of the specific skillsets of our WRs. Among other things, Nelson is far and away the best run-blocker of our WRs, and the fact that his long speed is exceptional is going to get him chances in the passing game.

We're not just going to tick down the various passing options in order, and only throw to the 4 if one of the top three aren't able to play. Different plays and different sets are going to call for different personnel.

[MadScientist]

With all this receiving talent, AR can just break the passing record, that way there will be enough balls for everyone

(Summer, the perfect time for Kool-Aid)

[SkinBasket]

Isn't this the part where several people tell us how much better James Jones is because he has really nice abs?

[Joemailman]

Isn't this the part where several people tell us how much better James Jones is because he has really nice abs?

Actually, I think Jones just looks good right now because Bigby isn't there to shut him down.

[Scott Campbell]

Isn't this the part where several people tell us how much better James Jones is because he has really nice abs?

I know that's what I love most about Vince Young.

[mraynrand]

Isn't this the part where several people tell us how much better James Jones is because he has really nice abs?

I know that's what I love most about Vince Young.

There still is hope for Vince:

[Pugger]

[quote="Scott Campbell"]

Isn't this the part where several people tell us how much better James Jones is because he has really nice abs?

Jones is a pretty nice looking guy actually. He has a face like catalog models do.

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100803/PKR01/100803164

Thumbs Up

The offensive coaches have been raving about Jordy Nelson’s improvement this offseason, saying he’s playing faster, stronger and smarter. That has shown up in the third-year receiver’s play so far in training camp, most notably in Tuesday’s night practice.

With starting receiver Greg Jennings absent for what coach Mike McCarthy called personal reasons, Nelson took advantage of his additional snaps with the starters. He caught five passes in the team periods, including several tough touchdown catches in the red-zone drill.

His biggest play was on deep seam route when he caught the ball in stride against bracket coverage by linebacker Desmond Bishop and safety Morgan Burnett for a long touchdown from Aaron Rodgers.

His toughest catch came in a short-yardage, goal-line situation. On third-and-goal from the 2, Nelson had go to the ground with cornerback Tramon Williams draped all over him to scoop up a low pass from Rodgers.

Nelson didn’t drop anything thrown his way and might have taken a step ahead of James Jones in the competition for the number three receiver spot behind Jennings and Donald Driver.

Thumbs Down

Those convinced Desmond Bishop should be an every-down player should have seen Tuesday night’s practice.

Given the opportunity to play with the starters for the entire practice in base and nickel for the first time this summer, Bishop did what he often does in his few real game opportunities.

That is, he gave up too many plays.

A day after he was thrown into a new-look nickel package, he also got the base reps because Nick Barnett was resting his surgical repaired knee.

Bishop might be a powerful hitter and a decent rusher, but he once again struggled in coverage. He gave up a long catch to tight end Jermichael Finley on a seam route for a 21-yard gain in the 7-on-7 two-minute drill. In the same drill, he gave up the winning touchdown to Donald Lee on first-and-goal from the 6-yard line with 16 seconds left. He also was in coverage on Nelson’s deep seam route.

Sure, Bishop made some noise, like when he knocked off Finley’s helmet after the tight end made a short catch in the flat but for every big play he makes, he seems to give up one, too.

Maybe that’s why in his first three seasons, he never received any consistent playing time.

[Tony Oday]

Go Jordy!!!

[BobDobbs]

This might be the year that Jordy takes a big jump. Realistically, he's not going to pass Driver, and of course, Finley is going to be the first option his fair share of the time this year.

Obviously, anytime our team's depth improves that's a bonus, because Football is a violent sport. But, I think the biggest bonus may be in our short yardage sets. McCarthy likes to bring Jones and Nelson in because they are so much bigger than our top two WRs. If those guys can be more dangerous as pass catchers that gives us a lot more options, and that personnel package doesn't totally telegraph the run.