Ranking the best secondaries heading into the 2010 season

[mraynrand]

I'm with ya Wist. You have to beat the crap out of QBs - even if they burn you for a score here and there. You have to make them look for pass rush first, then passing second. Especially the old farts like Warner and Favre, who have taken so many hits that it will get to them psychologically eventually and they will throw back across the middle late instead of running for the safe yards, just to avoid getting clobbered. If nothing else, Capers has to bring the house against the Vikings this year. He was a total wuss last year.

[Joemailman]

I'm with ya Wist. You have to beat the crap out of QBs - even if they burn you for a score here and there. You have to make them look for pass rush first, then passing second. Especially the old farts like Warner and Favre, who have taken so many hits that it will get to them psychologically eventually and they will throw back across the middle late instead of running for the safe yards, just to avoid getting clobbered. If nothing else, Capers has to bring the house against the Vikings this year. He was a total wuss last year.

The NFC Title game, as you allude to last year was a perfect example. The Vikings scored on the first 2 drives of the game, and Favre was 10-14 for 89 yards and 1 TD. The Saints though didn't stop bringing pressure. If anything, they seemed to increase it. As the game wore on, Favre became less effective. After those first 2 drives, he was 18-32 for 221 yards with 0 TD's and 2 INT's.

[esoxx]

I'm with ya Wist. You have to beat the crap out of QBs - even if they burn you for a score here and there. You have to make them look for pass rush first, then passing second. Especially the old farts like Warner and Favre, who have taken so many hits that it will get to them psychologically eventually and they will throw back across the middle late instead of running for the safe yards, just to avoid getting clobbered. If nothing else, Capers has to bring the house against the Vikings this year. He was a total wuss last year.

The NFC Title game, as you allude to last year was a perfect example. The Vikings scored on the first 2 drives of the game, and Favre was 10-14 for 89 yards and 1 TD. The Saints though didn't stop bringing pressure. If anything, they seemed to increase it. As the game wore on, Favre became less effective. After those first 2 drives, he was 18-32 for 221 yards with 0 TD's and 2 INT's.

True dat. Take SB XXXII against Denver. They sent the house all game long, even after Favre took the Packers down the field for an opening score hitting Freeman while getting whacked by the blitz.

It would have been really easy for the Broncos to call off the dogs after getting burned like that, but to their credit, they stuck to their game plan and kept it coming.

And I hate the cheatin' fucking Broncos from that era, but I'll give them credit for sticking to their guns.

They had the "Ivan Drago, I will break you" approach, and it paid off handsomely.

Even if you you're not getting sacks, have to get the QB playing musical chairs with happy feet, knock him off his game, or he'll eat you alive.

That doesn't mean you have to blitz, but if the guys up front aren't getting it done, you have to find a way to create pressure and get the QB out of his groove. No doubt about it.

[The Leaper]

Yep...I can't believe people who actually think that dropping back into coverage and not blitzing against a pocket passer like Warner is a good idea. He'll pick you apart all day even if you drop 11 into coverage if he doesn't have to worry about pressure. Even Jay Cutler can beat you if you don't get any pressure on him.

[Scott Campbell]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

[retailguy]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

[sharpe1027]

Yep...I can't believe people who actually think that dropping back into coverage and not blitzing against a pocket passer like Warner is a good idea. He'll pick you apart all day even if you drop 11 into coverage if he doesn't have to worry about pressure. Even Jay Cutler can beat you if you don't get any pressure on him.

Jay can beat you alright, but only if he is on your team.

[woodbuck27]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

No. We have special weaknesses.

The Packer brass and coaching staff have to get a better balance on D. We need a better pass rush and some decent STs esp. in terms of punting.

Can we expect Charles Woodson to continue with a similiar performance as he had last season and the status of ** Al Harris and his general consistency are factors that could hurt the pack on defense. We have to get ahead of the Vikings and that is a key to Packer success this season.

** http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...was-very-rare/

If Favre comes back....

[sharpe1027]

It's the red zone, stupid! (Not referring to anyone in particular).

The Packers had the league's #5 pass defense based on passing yards given up. However, only 4 teams yielded more than the 29 TD passes the Packers gave up.

In both losses to the Vikings, Rodgers had more passing yards than Favre. The Packers just couldn't stop Favre in the red zone, thus Favre ended up with 7 TD passes and 0 INT's in the two games. Not coincidentally, the Packers had 0 sacks in the 2 games.

For how bad our STs were, the defensive stats might be a bit misleading since they wouldn't be giving up as many yards simply because the other teams kept starting with such good field position.

Even so, all of the interceptions can't be overlooked.

[retailguy]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

No. We have special weaknesses.

The Packer brass and coaching staff have to get a better balance on D. We need a better pass rush and some decent STs esp. in terms of punting.

Can we expect Charles Woodson to continue with a similiar performance as he had last season and the status of ** Al Harris and his general consistency are factors that could hurt the pack on defense. We have to get ahead of the Vikings and that is a key to Packer success this season.

** http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...was-very-rare/

If Favre comes back....

We have no holes. All that stuff is a myth.

This team is pumped and ready. The old me would have been concerned that the OL will (for the 4th year in a row), start off slow and play horribly for unexplained reasons, but I have been assured by the true football minds here that this is no longer the case, and I believe them. They are never wrong.

My prediction for 2010 is 14-2, with a 1st round bye and a Super Bowl berth. Anything less will be a major disappointment.

I've sent you some kool-aid by PM, Woody, DRINK UP! We're bowl bound baby!

[MJZiggy]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

No. We have special weaknesses.

The Packer brass and coaching staff have to get a better balance on D. We need a better pass rush and some decent STs esp. in terms of punting.

Can we expect Charles Woodson to continue with a similiar performance as he had last season and the status of ** Al Harris and his general consistency are factors that could hurt the pack on defense. We have to get ahead of the Vikings and that is a key to Packer success this season.

** http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...was-very-rare/

If Favre comes back....

We have no holes. All that stuff is a myth.

This team is pumped and ready. The old me would have been concerned that the OL will (for the 4th year in a row), start off slow and play horribly for unexplained reasons, but I have been assured by the true football minds here that this is no longer the case, and I believe them. They are never wrong.

My prediction for 2010 is 14-2, with a 1st round bye and a Super Bowl berth. Anything less will be a major disappointment.

I've sent you some kool-aid by PM, Woody, DRINK UP! We're bowl bound baby!

Who are you and what have you done with RG? (and do you know anything about rhetorical criticism and its role among research methodologies? I'm writing a paper and I'm stuck.)

[retailguy]

This is THE year Ziggy. I can just feel it.

This looks boring, but....

http://books.google.com/books?id=lVG_dCNbYo4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=rhetorical+criticism&source=bl&ots=_c8nx97HRB&sig=zaJnEdXJ-G7sD_xenvKaupIEync&hl=en&ei=2DgyTNWKC9WEnQexoYjcAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

[MJZiggy]

This is THE year Ziggy. I can just feel it.

This looks boring, but....

http://books.google.com/books?id=lVG...page&q&f=false

Zombie book! Was supposed to die but never quite did. I'm working with *Foss (3ed.) and a feminist criticism of the Jessica Lynch story. I just don't happen to like the application of the method on the story (even if I do think the author is correct) but can't put my finger on exactly why. I guess I just want something a little more quantitative. The author starts in that direction, and then drops the thread and when she states that that Lynch's rank was omitted repeatedly, something in me still wants to know how many times. Blech.

[woodbuck27]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

No. We have special weaknesses.

The Packer brass and coaching staff have to get a better balance on D. We need a better pass rush and some decent STs esp. in terms of punting.

Can we expect Charles Woodson to continue with a similiar performance as he had last season and the status of ** Al Harris and his general consistency are factors that could hurt the pack on defense. We have to get ahead of the Vikings and that is a key to Packer success this season.

** http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...was-very-rare/

If Favre comes back....

We have no holes. All that stuff is a myth.

This team is pumped and ready. The old me would have been concerned that the OL will (for the 4th year in a row), start off slow and play horribly for unexplained reasons, but I have been assured by the true football minds here that this is no longer the case, and I believe them. They are never wrong.

My prediction for 2010 is 14-2, with a 1st round bye and a Super Bowl berth. Anything less will be a major disappointment.

I've sent you some kool-aid by PM, Woody, DRINK UP! We're bowl bound baby!

Yeah retailguy!

A lot of the fellas and I expect gals as well are pretty reved up at PackerRats Re: the teams real chances this season. I havn*t spent alot of time here the past year especially in the off season. I*ll likely play Pro Pickem again this season as I love that activity and it keeps my head in the game as more than the casual NFL fan.

I was here for a visit yesterday. Havn*t checked PMs and will do Packer buddy.

GO PACK GO!

[woodbuck27]

If we end up with the number 1 defense in the league this season, then the Lombardi is ours.

If we end up with a top 10 defense the Lombardi ought to be ours. There really aren't any legitimate excuses left for this team not to win it all.

No. We have special weaknesses.

The Packer brass and coaching staff have to get a better balance on D. We need a better pass rush and some decent STs esp. in terms of punting.

Can we expect Charles Woodson to continue with a similiar performance as he had last season and the status of ** Al Harris and his general consistency are factors that could hurt the pack on defense. We have to get ahead of the Vikings and that is a key to Packer success this season.

** http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...was-very-rare/

If Favre comes back....

We have no holes. All that stuff is a myth.

This team is pumped and ready. The old me would have been concerned that the OL will (for the 4th year in a row), start off slow and play horribly for unexplained reasons, but I have been assured by the true football minds here that this is no longer the case, and I believe them. They are never wrong.

My prediction for 2010 is 14-2, with a 1st round bye and a Super Bowl berth. Anything less will be a major disappointment.

I've sent you some kool-aid by PM, Woody, DRINK UP! We're bowl bound baby!

SOMEHOW... this is a double post...sorry about that.... woodbuck27

Yeah retailguy!

A lot of the fellas and I expect gals as well are pretty reved up at PackerRats Re: the teams real chances this season. I havn*t spent alot of time here the past year especially in the off season. I*ll likely play Pro Pickem again this season as I love that activity and it keeps my head in the game as more than the casual NFL fan.

I was here for a visit yesterday. Havn*t checked PMs and will do Packer buddy.

GO PACK GO!