CJ Wilson

[wist43]

Can this guy stand up??? Use him as a "hybrid", ala Woodley...

I know he's listed at 288 lbs... but he seems to have some natural pass rush, that looks like it might translate well to being a rush LB on passing downs.

I know it's a bit of a stretch, but from what I've seen of the guy... it might be possible.

I definitely see him as a big upgrade over Montegomery.

[Joemailman]

Well, they're maybe doing some of that with Jenkins this year, so it might be a possibility in the future. I doubt you'll see it from Wilson this year though. If he does weell, he could be a replacement for Cullen Jenkins who is entering the last year of his contract.

[wist43]

Don't see it as even being a possibility with Jenkins - just as I didn't see it with Montgomery and Kampman.

Wilson on the other hand, is a bit shorter than those guys; is very quick twitch for his size; redirects pretty well... He might be too big to do it, but from what I've seen of him on film, I'd at least give him a look there.

If we are to have a chance to advance this year, we have to find a way to generate more pass rush.

[Gunakor]

The problem with our pass rush last year was a lack of pressure from up the middle. Now that Raji has been named starter at the nose I'm very hopeful that the inside pass rush will be much improved. With no way for the QB to step up in the pocket, I'm sure Matthews and Jones will be more than adequate providing pressure from the outside. I don't think we need to convert any more DE's into OLB's.

[bobblehead]

Don't see it as even being a possibility with Jenkins - just as I didn't see it with Montgomery and Kampman.

Wilson on the other hand, is a bit shorter than those guys; is very quick twitch for his size; redirects pretty well... He might be too big to do it, but from what I've seen of him on film, I'd at least give him a look there.

If we are to have a chance to advance this year, we have to find a way to generate more pass rush.

I would almost garauntee Jenkins is a much better "quick twitch" athlete than CJ Wilson. Jenkins is a freak athletically. And that goes even if you mean the Rangers pitcher.

[RashanGary]

I've watched a little bit of Wilson. I don't know if I saw him redirecting much, but the highlights I saw, I saw a type of game speed that is unusual for a guy his size.

I don't know if he'll be able to play the run like a 3-4 DE. I don't know if he'll be able to drop or play very well in open space like a 3-4 LB. I don't know if he'll be able to beat OT's from the 5-tech because he won't be able to use his speed.

Watching him on tape, the one thing he had that I don't think was a mirage was his ability to rush the passer from the edge. The way he played in college, I don't know if it means much, but it looks to me like his best spot is as a 4-3 DE, particularly a pass rushing one.

[packers11]

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Don't see it as even being a possibility with Jenkins - just as I didn't see it with Montgomery and Kampman.

Wilson on the other hand, is a bit shorter than those guys; is very quick twitch for his size; redirects pretty well... He might be too big to do it, but from what I've seen of him on film, I'd at least give him a look there.

If we are to have a chance to advance this year, we have to find a way to generate more pass rush.

I would almost garauntee Jenkins is a much better "quick twitch" athlete than CJ Wilson. Jenkins is a freak athletically. And that goes even if you mean the Rangers pitcher.

I disagree with this completely... Jenkins is quick for his size but still a DL type of guy. I think that was obvious during the Pittsburgh game.

I know the level of competition is completely different but watch some CJ Wilson youtube highlights. He plays the game differently than you would expect. Much more explosiveness. I've never seen Jenkins drive through guys on tackles like this kid does. Not to say he even makes the team, but Wilson has a very unique skillset.

[wist43]

Don't see it as even being a possibility with Jenkins - just as I didn't see it with Montgomery and Kampman.

Wilson on the other hand, is a bit shorter than those guys; is very quick twitch for his size; redirects pretty well... He might be too big to do it, but from what I've seen of him on film, I'd at least give him a look there.

If we are to have a chance to advance this year, we have to find a way to generate more pass rush.

I would almost garauntee Jenkins is a much better "quick twitch" athlete than CJ Wilson. Jenkins is a freak athletically. And that goes even if you mean the Rangers pitcher.

I disagree with this completely... Jenkins is quick for his size but still a DL type of guy. I think that was obvious during the Pittsburgh game.

I know the level of competition is completely different but watch some CJ Wilson youtube highlights. He plays the game differently than you would expect. Much more explosiveness. I've never seen Jenkins drive through guys on tackles like this kid does. Not to say he even makes the team, but Wilson has a very unique skillset.

I agree... I see Jenkins as strictly a DL, and a damn good one at that.

Wilson on the other hand looks like he could have the speed and movement skills necessary to stand up, and come off the ball as a rover... I really liked what I saw of him on stunts.

From what little I've seen of him, he seems to have more upside than I thought he did.

[bobblehead]

Don't see it as even being a possibility with Jenkins - just as I didn't see it with Montgomery and Kampman.

Wilson on the other hand, is a bit shorter than those guys; is very quick twitch for his size; redirects pretty well... He might be too big to do it, but from what I've seen of him on film, I'd at least give him a look there.

If we are to have a chance to advance this year, we have to find a way to generate more pass rush.

I would almost garauntee Jenkins is a much better "quick twitch" athlete than CJ Wilson. Jenkins is a freak athletically. And that goes even if you mean the Rangers pitcher.

I disagree with this completely... Jenkins is quick for his size but still a DL type of guy. I think that was obvious during the Pittsburgh game.

I know the level of competition is completely different but watch some CJ Wilson youtube highlights. He plays the game differently than you would expect. Much more explosiveness. I've never seen Jenkins drive through guys on tackles like this kid does. Not to say he even makes the team, but Wilson has a very unique skillset.

I agree... I see Jenkins as strictly a DL, and a damn good one at that.

Wilson on the other hand looks like he could have the speed and movement skills necessary to stand up, and come off the ball as a rover... I really liked what I saw of him on stunts.

From what little I've seen of him, he seems to have more upside than I thought he did.

I have to admit I haven't seen a lot of Wilson, but before I put him in Jenkins class, I would like to see them both at a similar weight. Jenkins is over 300 lbs. and moves like a guy much smaller. I would actually LOVE to see him slim down to 275 and try to be an OLB....but that isn't going to happen at this point in his career. Thats something you do to a guy who has failed at his position, not someone like Jenkins because you think he might dominate.

[retailguy]

After reading this thread, I have concluded that it is springtime.

Odds are against this guy even making the roster.

[Joemailman]

Wake Up RG! It's summer!

I disagree with you about Wilson. I think his chances of making the team are pretty good because of his pass rush ability. I know he's a 7th round pick, but why he lasted that long is kind of a mystery. He was expected to be a 3-4 round pick. I think he probably has more natural ability than Jarius Wynn, and that will probably be one of the big battles in camp.

[3irty1]

If Wilson sticks it will be in a Jarius Wynn type roll. Sliding Jenkins around and getting all these big 4-3 type DEs tells me one of two things:

1. Brad Jones isn't very good. We could be making the shift to a 3-3 as our base pass defense like we had last year with Kampman in order to take Jones off the field.

2. Wynn is very good. He impressed last year and has natural pass rush ability from the edge. If he took big steps a 3-3 pass defense could still make sense.

[Gunakor]

I'm sure we'll be lining up in plenty of 3-3 nickel formations on defense. Many 3-4 teams do, and Dom has a tendency to show a myriad of different looks throughout the season.

If and when we do go to a 3-3 nickel look for pass defense I'm betting it's Chillar that mans that other OLB spot, as he's one of the better cover LB's we have atm and has some (albiet limited) pass rush ability. He's started at OLB in 3 LB sets before so there will be familiarity for him there. I doubt very highly we'll be rushing 5 very often from a 3-3, so I don't think we'll have converted DE's standing up from that look. It would be a dead giveaway where the rush is coming from.

Honestly, though, I'd rather not think about Kampman as an OLB last season and pretend that's what we should do again this year. Jones outperformed Kampman last year given about the same amount of starting time at OLB. He's a natural 3-4 OLB which gives him an advantage over any converted 4-3 DE. He'll outperform any other converts again this year. I'm happy with Jones as our starter, and he's only going to get better.

[retailguy]

Wake Up RG! It's summer!

I disagree with you about Wilson. I think his chances of making the team are pretty good because of his pass rush ability. I know he's a 7th round pick, but why he lasted that long is kind of a mystery. He was expected to be a 3-4 round pick. I think he probably has more natural ability than Jarius Wynn, and that will probably be one of the big battles in camp.

I know what the calendar says, but based on the kool-aid flow in here it's still springtime. :P

Wilson could stick, I don't deny that, but he's got longer odds than you think.

If we start getting rid of guys that really don't fit the system IE - Poppinga & Bishop, then he'll be around most likely, but there is no indication of that happening at this point.