Jolly Suspended Indefinitely

[RashanGary]

Relax, RG. Ted's got this thing on track. He's earned time.

[retailguy]

Relax, RG. Ted's got this thing on track. He's earned time.

I'm not the one who is nervous.

It's time. I bought a new comfy chair from which to watch all the wins this year, and even renewed my Sunday Ticket so I can see them all.

I've got designs on Super Bowl reservations and will be crushed if the Packers are not there to join me.

I'm not the slightest bit worried. There are no more excuses. It's time and I AM EXCITED!!! 1996 all over again!

[swede]

I really do not understand the anger toward Johnny Jolly. We've had many threads about NFL players' lack of preparedness for their post-NFL careers. We read stories about formerly rich players who end up broke because they didn't prepare for life after football. According to the prosecution for his case, Johnny Jolly is heavy into the drug business, dealing.

So here we have a player who is trying to diversify, who is investing his football earnings into another very lucrative business, and he runs into a little bad luck and now we're hating on him? Nobody seemed to hate on Mark Brunell when his investments went south. Johnny was looking ahead, like any good businessman. Sure, he took some pretty big risks, but look at the potential payoff. It just didn't work out. Like all those hotshots who invested in real estate six years ago and now are sitting there broke.

Johnny Jolly is a forward-thinking individual who is unconcerned with the rules, sure he can work around them are be treated with kid gloves. He's no different than the CEO of a large corporation, maybe just with less clout. But he's pulled himself up by his bootstraps. He's no Donald Trump, who was handed his fortune.

If anything the NFL should hire Jolly to tutor young NFL players on thinking ahead and developing other talents so that when their careers are over they can continue to live in the style to which they will soon be accustomed.

As for his personal drug use, well, he's only using the product he's selling. Would you want the CEO of GM to drive a Toyota, or to take a bus to work? Of course not. Would you want Steve Jobs to not use an Apple? Of course not.

Johnny Jolly is a sadly misunderstood businessman.

At first I didn't understand this post.

Then I knocked back a few shots of Chivas Regal mixed with Diet Coke and cough syrup with codeine.

+1

+1 again

[Fritz]

I really do not understand the anger toward Johnny Jolly. We've had many threads about NFL players' lack of preparedness for their post-NFL careers. We read stories about formerly rich players who end up broke because they didn't prepare for life after football. According to the prosecution for his case, Johnny Jolly is heavy into the drug business, dealing.

So here we have a player who is trying to diversify, who is investing his football earnings into another very lucrative business, and he runs into a little bad luck and now we're hating on him? Nobody seemed to hate on Mark Brunell when his investments went south. Johnny was looking ahead, like any good businessman. Sure, he took some pretty big risks, but look at the potential payoff. It just didn't work out. Like all those hotshots who invested in real estate six years ago and now are sitting there broke.

Johnny Jolly is a forward-thinking individual who is unconcerned with the rules, sure he can work around them are be treated with kid gloves. He's no different than the CEO of a large corporation, maybe just with less clout. But he's pulled himself up by his bootstraps. He's no Donald Trump, who was handed his fortune.

If anything the NFL should hire Jolly to tutor young NFL players on thinking ahead and developing other talents so that when their careers are over they can continue to live in the style to which they will soon be accustomed.

As for his personal drug use, well, he's only using the product he's selling. Would you want the CEO of GM to drive a Toyota, or to take a bus to work? Of course not. Would you want Steve Jobs to not use an Apple? Of course not.

Johnny Jolly is a sadly misunderstood businessman.

At first I didn't understand this post.

Then I knocked back a few shots of Chivas Regal mixed with Diet Coke and cough syrup with codeine.

+1

+1 again

By golly Swede you are supporting the American economy with those purchases. It's all about consumption.

Johnny Jolly would be proud.

[BobDobbs]

I think the rush to judge Johnny Jolly is coming far too quickly. From what I've read the original amount of codeine that they busted him for was derived from the police weighing the soda. They postponed the trial so that the prosecution could get people trained to use a more accurate device to measure the narcotics. I haven't seen anything that slightly pointed to him funding a distribution ring.

Let's not start the Free Johnny Jolly Committee too soon.

It's a huge suspension, so something was going on that we don't know about. But, it may well be failed drug tests or an example being made. The trial got a lot more interesting.

Football wise it will be a loss. If Raji didn't work out at NT or Pickett at DT, Jolly would be in the starting lineup. Our rotation is definitely downgraded unless Neal plays better than Jolly did last year. That seems like a longshot.

Still, our run defense may stay stalwart with Pickett on the end, and our pas rush might improve with Raji playing three downs and him plus Jenkins in the nickel.

I hope he beats his case and we get to find out what the real rationale is for his suspension.

[Joemailman]

I think the rush to judge Johnny Jolly is coming far too quickly. From what I've read the original amount of codeine that they busted him for was derived from the police weighing the soda. They postponed the trial so that the prosecution could get people trained to use a more accurate device to measure the narcotics. I haven't seen anything that slightly pointed to him funding a distribution ring.

The allegations against Jolly were extended beyond the original indictment as court records state that Jolly “bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling, funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and marijuana.”

Assistant District Attorney Todd Keagle said the broadened allegations can be introduced only during the punishment phase if Jolly is found guilty.

It's a huge suspension, so something was going on that we don't know about. But, it may well be failed drug tests or an example being made. The trial got a lot more interesting.

If Jolly failed any kind of a drug test (which appears likely) while awaiting trial on drug charges, that points to two possibilities. Either he has complete disdain for the league's drug policies, or he is an addict. Either way, he has no business playing in the NFL until he rectifies his problem.

Football wise it will be a loss. If Raji didn't work out at NT or Pickett at DT, Jolly would be in the starting lineup. Our rotation is definitely downgraded unless Neal plays better than Jolly did last year. That seems like a longshot.

It's a loss, but I don't think it means Neal has to outplay Jolly. The Packers should get more from Raji than they did last year, and Raji should provide more pressure up the middle than Pickett did. That should help take some pressure off the LDE, which will be a rotation of Pickett and Neal.

[Bossman641]

Relax, RG. Ted's got this thing on track. He's earned time.

I'm not the one who is nervous.

It's time. I bought a new comfy chair from which to watch all the wins this year, and even renewed my Sunday Ticket so I can see them all.

I've got designs on Super Bowl reservations and will be crushed if the Packers are not there to join me.

I'm not the slightest bit worried. There are no more excuses. It's time and I AM EXCITED!!! 1996 all over again!

When even RG is positive and has super bowl dreams, you know we must have assembled a good team.

[BobDobbs]

I think the rush to judge Johnny Jolly is coming far too quickly. From what I've read the original amount of codeine that they busted him for was derived from the police weighing the soda. They postponed the trial so that the prosecution could get people trained to use a more accurate device to measure the narcotics. I haven't seen anything that slightly pointed to him funding a distribution ring.

The allegations against Jolly were extended beyond the original indictment as court records state that Jolly “bought, sold, funded, transported and aided in the buying, selling, funding and transportation of illegal narcotics including cocaine and marijuana.”

Assistant District Attorney Todd Keagle said the broadened allegations can be introduced only during the punishment phase if Jolly is found guilty.

It's a huge suspension, so something was going on that we don't know about. But, it may well be failed drug tests or an example being made. The trial got a lot more interesting.

If Jolly failed any kind of a drug test (which appears likely) while awaiting trial on drug charges, that points to two possibilities. Either he has complete disdain for the league's drug policies, or he is an addict. Either way, he has no business playing in the NFL until he rectifies his problem.

Football wise it will be a loss. If Raji didn't work out at NT or Pickett at DT, Jolly would be in the starting lineup. Our rotation is definitely downgraded unless Neal plays better than Jolly did last year. That seems like a longshot.

It's a loss, but I don't think it means Neal has to outplay Jolly. The Packers should get more from Raji than they did last year, and Raji should provide more pressure up the middle than Pickett did. That should help take some pressure off the LDE, which will be a rotation of Pickett and Neal.

I saw that article today. I still haven't seen any proof of any kind. My gut reaction is that it's a bunch of crap. They are basically charging someone for being within arms reach of a drink. Unless they have a urine or blood test showing opiates I think that the prosecutors are screwed. They've been trying to bluff him into a plea this whole time, because they don't feel confident in their case.

I mean, allegations that can only be introduced in the punishmentl phase if you're found guilty? What is that? They're not charging him with distribution or providing any evidence. I call bullshit.

[Joemailman]

M<y initial reaction to this was the same as yours, that the prosecutors were trying to intimidate Jolly into making a guilty plea. However, some of Jolly's behavior the last couple of months makes me think he may be a big enough fool to have gotten more mixed up in drugs than we originally thought. We'll see.

[MichiganPackerFan]

It seems like there are a lot of unknown facts that will come out eventually. He was the best DL last year, but young blood can also make an impact. Very disappointed in the 12 month suspension agree that if this was MIN he could just delay the suspension until he retired.

Can't wait until training camp starts so we can focus on on-the-field stuff.

[Fritz]

I really don't think you can argue that somehow the team will be as well off without the guy on the field as they would be with him on the field.

At least strictly in terms of the game itself.

But if you look long term at the impact of his actions and presence on the team, if in fact he's as mixed up in drugs (doing or selling, who knows?), it may be best for the team if Jolly's not on it.

But short term, football-wise, I'd like to see him on the field for the Pack. They're weaker without him.

[swede]

Can we prove that he was somehow within Minnesota's jurisdiction at the time of the alleged actions?

[ThunderDan]

Can we prove that he was somehow within Minnesota's jurisdiction at the time of the alleged actions?

It's Texas Swede. I'm sure you can legally drug test your employees twice a day if needed.

[pbmax]

In the end, my greatest objection to the DL musical chairs is moving Raji to NT... to me, his #1 job should be inside pass rush, collapse the pocket - go ahead and rotate him at DE, but I want a fresh and explosive Raji coming off the snap, and I want the QB to be aware that he's there, and that he's coming. I believe a healthy Raji can be a very disruptive force on the interior pass rush, and I don't want anything to take away from that.

While he has a quick first step, did you see pass rush from him last year? I mostly saw him get diverted out of harms way. I think you are projecting this ability like some are projecting Pickett's future at DE.

Its a prediction I hope comes true, but he was no sure fire pass rusher last year.

[pbmax]

I would not be surprised if Jolly got nailed on one of the court ordered drug tests. Somewhere, I cannot find the page in my history or bookmarks, I think one of the NY papers ran a periodic series from actual NFL players bylined anonymously. It was sometime last season or this offseason.

In one article, a player said avoiding "recreational" drug test violations were simple for players if they were not in the program. They had to be clean in preseason and they needed to be clean in the off-season until they were randomly tested. 2 tests total. After each test, they knew they were in the clear for several months.

If Jolly was tested by the NFL earlier this offseason or if he had reason to suspect he wouldn't be tested, he may have relaxed and thought himself in the clear.