Jolly Suspended Indefinitely

[Freak Out]

Big loss for the team but not a surprise AT ALL.

It always amazes me how easy it is for these guys will throw away a career....over something like drank.

Stay in school...get the most out of the scholarships...play in the NFL....retire and party.

[mngolf19]

It seems like a harsh penalty to drop the hammer for a season right away. I am sure Jolly must have been financing some sort of drug ring for his friends. Who knows for sure.

If he has those kind of issues I have no problem with the league suspending him. Sucks as a Packer fan for results on the field but I can live with our player being an idiot and getting punished for it.

Where is that MNGolf poster getting all into a lather that Jolly has never been convicetd of anything and the NFL is suspending him? Wait the Williams boys did break the banned substances rules! I am so confused!

I'm here but you have the wrong poster.

[Fritz]

[quote="pbmax"]I would not be surprised if Jolly got nailed on one of the court ordered drug tests. Somewhere, I cannot find the page in my history or bookmarks, I think one of the NY papers ran a periodic series from actual NFL players bylined anonymously. It was sometime last season or this offseason.

In one article, a player said avoiding "recreational" drug test violations were simple for players if they were not in the program. They had to be clean in preseason and they needed to be clean in the off-season until they were randomly tested. 2 tests total. After each test, they knew they were in the clear for several months.

If Jolly was tested by the NFL earlier this offseason or if he had reason to suspect he wouldn't be tested, he may have relaxed and thought himself in the clear.[/quote]

Or in the cream...

[ThunderDan]

It seems like a harsh penalty to drop the hammer for a season right away. I am sure Jolly must have been financing some sort of drug ring for his friends. Who knows for sure.

If he has those kind of issues I have no problem with the league suspending him. Sucks as a Packer fan for results on the field but I can live with our player being an idiot and getting punished for it.

Where is that MNGolf poster getting all into a lather that Jolly has never been convicetd of anything and the NFL is suspending him? Wait the Williams boys did break the banned substances rules! I am so confused!

I'm here but you have the wrong poster.

Sorry MNGolf19, you are correct. It was SMACKTALKIE I should have named.

[cheesner]

Lori Nickel offers this helpful tidbit in the JSO Packer Blog.

Lori Nickel-JSO[/b]]The usual progression for such a suspension is four games, then eight for the next violation and then the season, but it is possible Jolly had such violations and they never became public.

Yes, Lori. Jolly had previously been suspended for a total of twelve games. But no one noticed.

Plus, I think she has this wrong. The third failure/second suspension should be for a year, shouldn't it?

Just to clarify, there is a rumor (or was it a theory?) that Jolly was nailed last season and he was appealing the suspension. Recently, he failed another drug test. So its like his second failure, though he hadn't gotten penalized for the first.

[BobDobbs]

M<y initial reaction to this was the same as yours, that the prosecutors were trying to intimidate Jolly into making a guilty plea. However, some of Jolly's behavior the last couple of months makes me think he may be a big enough fool to have gotten more mixed up in drugs than we originally thought. We'll see.

Yeah, the last couple months have made me wonder if he is dumb enough to risk millions of dollars to make ten of thousands. The main thing that worries me is that they allege that his involvement was from 2006 to 2008. It's plausible that he signed his rookie contract, had a small signing bonus by NFL standards, wasn't playing much, and decided to invest it in the drug trade. I hope not and there is no public proof, but that's the scenario I'm afraid of.

[pbmax]

Lori Nickel offers this helpful tidbit in the JSO Packer Blog.

Lori Nickel-JSO[/b]]The usual progression for such a suspension is four games, then eight for the next violation and then the season, but it is possible Jolly had such violations and they never became public.

Yes, Lori. Jolly had previously been suspended for a total of twelve games. But no one noticed.

Plus, I think she has this wrong. The third failure/second suspension should be for a year, shouldn't it?

Just to clarify, there is a rumor (or was it a theory?) that Jolly was nailed last season and he was appealing the suspension. Recently, he failed another drug test. So its like his second failure, though he hadn't gotten penalized for the first.

But if that penalty sequence is correct (1-enter program, 2-4 game susp, 3-8 game susp, 4-one year suspension) then Jolly would need three tests to hit the one year suspension.

One caveat is that I have read one of those steps might allow for 2 positives before moving to the next step. I also believe that Patler has made a point that the 8 game suspension is a minimum, so there could have been extenuating circumstances that bumped it to a year plus.

[Fritz]

M<y initial reaction to this was the same as yours, that the prosecutors were trying to intimidate Jolly into making a guilty plea. However, some of Jolly's behavior the last couple of months makes me think he may be a big enough fool to have gotten more mixed up in drugs than we originally thought. We'll see.

Yeah, the last couple months have made me wonder if he is dumb enough to risk millions of dollars to make ten of thousands. The main thing that worries me is that they allege that his involvement was from 2006 to 2008. It's plausible that he signed his rookie contract, had a small signing bonus by NFL standards, wasn't playing much, and decided to invest it in the drug trade. I hope not and there is no public proof, but that's the scenario I'm afraid of.

Bob, I'm disappointed. Here's a guy thinking about his income, investing in a business, and you're unhappy with that.

Are you one of those commie bastards?

[SMACKTALKIE]

It seems like a harsh penalty to drop the hammer for a season right away. I am sure Jolly must have been financing some sort of drug ring for his friends. Who knows for sure.

If he has those kind of issues I have no problem with the league suspending him. Sucks as a Packer fan for results on the field but I can live with our player being an idiot and getting punished for it.

Where is that MNGolf poster getting all into a lather that Jolly has never been convicetd of anything and the NFL is suspending him? Wait the Williams boys did break the banned substances rules! I am so confused!

I'm here but you have the wrong poster.

Sorry MNGolf19, you are correct. It was SMACKTALKIE I should have named.

I had a feeling this would come up. The only way these cases could be compared is if:

1. Jolly had a cough or pain.
2. Jolly took a cough syrup or pill labled all natural that despite it's labled ingredients contained a banned substance.
3. The NFL knew there was a banned substance in said all natural cough syrup or pill and decided not to tell the NFLPA.
4. Jolly then failed a drug test due to the inaccurate labeling of said cough syrup or pill and the NFL suspended him.

These are two totally different cases. And honestly, as close as I have followed the Williams's case, all the leagal BS going on makes it hard to understand. The courts will sort it out someday.

Besides all that, this is not about the Williams. This is about Jolly and what appears to be a growing problem in the NFL. If Jolly had all that codeine and it was for "sizrup" or whatever they call it, then Jolly may have a problem with an addiction. He is a solid player and if he has an addiction, and it can be addressed, he may come back from this a better person and player.

[sharpe1027]

I had a feeling this would come up. The only way these cases could be compared is if:

1. Jolly had a cough or pain.
2. Jolly took a cough syrup or pill labled all natural that despite it's labled ingredients contained a banned substance.
3. The NFL knew there was a banned substance in said all natural cough syrup or pill and decided not to tell the NFLPA.
4. Jolly then failed a drug test due to the inaccurate labeling of said cough syrup or pill and the NFL suspended him.

Weren't they appealing based on violation of MN law? What do any of 1-4 have to do with that? None of them are exceptions to the NFL's drug policy.

[SMACKTALKIE]

I had a feeling this would come up. The only way these cases could be compared is if:

1. Jolly had a cough or pain.
2. Jolly took a cough syrup or pill labled all natural that despite it's labled ingredients contained a banned substance.
3. The NFL knew there was a banned substance in said all natural cough syrup or pill and decided not to tell the NFLPA.
4. Jolly then failed a drug test due to the inaccurate labeling of said cough syrup or pill and the NFL suspended him.

Weren't they appealing based on violation of MN law? What do any of 1-4 have to do with that? None of them are exceptions to the NFL's drug policy.

At this point all of those questions are not for us to answer. The Courts have/will decide.

The point is the two cases are not comparable. Maybe a comparison to a guy like Nate Newton should be in order.

[sharpe1027]

At this point all of those questions are not for us to answer. The Courts have/will decide.

The point is the two cases are not comparable. Maybe a comparison to a guy like Nate Newton should be in order.

Why can't they be compared? Because some of them happened to work in MN? They each violated the NFL's drug policy.

We know that Williams boys failed a drug test for a steroid masking agent. We know that they "claim" to have been taking star caps, which just happens to contain the masking agent. We know that ignorance is not an excuse for the NFL's drug policy. Thus, we know that the Williams boys violated the NFL's drug policy and, if they were anywhere by MN, would have been suspended already.

We are only guessing what exactly Jolly did or did not do to get suspended at this point.

[SMACKTALKIE]

At this point all of those questions are not for us to answer. The Courts have/will decide.

The point is the two cases are not comparable. Maybe a comparison to a guy like Nate Newton should be in order.

Why can't they be compared? Because some of them happened to work in MN? They each violated the NFL's drug policy.

We know that Williams boys failed a drug test for a steroid masking agent. We know that they "claim" to have been taking star caps, which just happens to contain the masking agent. We know that ignorance is not an excuse for the NFL's drug policy. Thus, we know that the Williams boys violated the NFL's drug policy and, if they were anywhere by MN, would have been suspended already.

We are only guessing what exactly Jolly did or did not do to get suspended at this point.

I think the whole felonious possession of codeine thing may be a reason for suspension. Perhaps the fact that he is facing 20 years in prison is a reason for a suspension.

Also two reasons the Williams and Jolly cases are not comparable.

[ThunderDan]

I had a feeling this would come up. The only way these cases could be compared is if:

1. Jolly had a cough or pain.
2. Jolly took a cough syrup or pill labled all natural that despite it's labled ingredients contained a banned substance.
3. The NFL knew there was a banned substance in said all natural cough syrup or pill and decided not to tell the NFLPA.
4. Jolly then failed a drug test due to the inaccurate labeling of said cough syrup or pill and the NFL suspended him.

Weren't they appealing based on violation of MN law? What do any of 1-4 have to do with that? None of them are exceptions to the NFL's drug policy.

At this point all of those questions are not for us to answer. The Courts have/will decide.

The point is the two cases are not comparable. Maybe a comparison to a guy like Nate Newton should be in order.

I think the issue is you absolutely defended 2 players (who happen to be Vikings) who violated the NFL's drug policy and here you have a player (on the GB Packers) who hasn't been convicted of anything or had a positive drug test reported being suspended for a year and you don't make a peep.

Why aren't you defending all players but only the Viking players?

[cheesner]

Lori Nickel offers this helpful tidbit in the JSO Packer Blog.

Lori Nickel-JSO[/b]]The usual progression for such a suspension is four games, then eight for the next violation and then the season, but it is possible Jolly had such violations and they never became public.

Yes, Lori. Jolly had previously been suspended for a total of twelve games. But no one noticed.

Plus, I think she has this wrong. The third failure/second suspension should be for a year, shouldn't it?

Just to clarify, there is a rumor (or was it a theory?) that Jolly was nailed last season and he was appealing the suspension. Recently, he failed another drug test. So its like his second failure, though he hadn't gotten penalized for the first.

But if that penalty sequence is correct (1-enter program, 2-4 game susp, 3-8 game susp, 4-one year suspension) then Jolly would need three tests to hit the one year suspension.

One caveat is that I have read one of those steps might allow for 2 positives before moving to the next step. I also believe that Patler has made a point that the 8 game suspension is a minimum, so there could have been extenuating circumstances that bumped it to a year plus.

First offense 4 weeks
2nd offense 8 weeks
Getting busted the 2nd time while trying to fight the 1st? Timeless.

I see what you are saying. The offenses together would be 12 weeks, and maybe the NFL through in the extra 4 because they came so close together - obviously the first didn't get his attention. I think there may be more to it, that there were 2 failed tests and then the pictures of him drinking at a party maybe counted for strike 3.

This brain surgeon has to be sitting there thinking, 'okay I was about to make over $5m/year; got to play a game for work; got 2 months off every year; and I thought being a drug dealer would help me, how?'