Bigby signs

[Gunakor]

He can play the ball too. I think he had 4 interceptions last year, tying him with Tramon Williams for 3rd on the club. There's more to Bigby's game than simply laying the lumber.

Interceptions which were not created by Atari Bigby. The good news is he caught them, I suppose. Yipee.

So pass rush may have helped create them, but the same could be said for a good number of Woodson's interceptions too. Same for Collins or Williams or Harris or anyone else.

What is your criteria for a DB as to whether he deserves any credit for the passes he picks off in a season?

[SkinBasket]

He can play the ball too. I think he had 4 interceptions last year, tying him with Tramon Williams for 3rd on the club. There's more to Bigby's game than simply laying the lumber.

Interceptions which were not created by Atari Bigby. The good news is he caught them, I suppose. Yipee.

So pass rush may have helped create them, but the same could be said for a good number of Woodson's interceptions too. Same for Collins or Williams or Harris or anyone else.

What is your criteria for a DB as to whether he deserves any credit for the passes he picks off in a season?

We covered this several times in several of the other ridiculous Bigby loving threads, so I would refer you there.

I think the short version would go something like this: the DB gets credit when his INT comes as a result of individual effort and/or coverage. He does not when he's standing in deep center facing the play waiting for a badly thrown ball because he's too goddamn slow and stupid to be of any use in any kind of coverage.

[gabe]

Don't know much about his smarts, but he ran a 4.65 at the combine. How much slower is that then the average safety in the NFL?

[retailguy]

With Burnett drafted and Bigby's injury status, there's no guarantee 2011 (if there's any football) will be a better year for dealmaking than 2010.

There are never any guarantees, but if Bigby gets to FA healthy he'll make a bunch of money. Anyone with starting experience gets paid retarded money in FA these days. Antrel Rolle just got $37 mil with $15 mil guaranteed a few months ago.

Hopefully there will be a year 2 in the Bears "scorched earth" policy. They need more overpriced veterans down there.

[Gunakor]

He can play the ball too. I think he had 4 interceptions last year, tying him with Tramon Williams for 3rd on the club. There's more to Bigby's game than simply laying the lumber.

Interceptions which were not created by Atari Bigby. The good news is he caught them, I suppose. Yipee.

So pass rush may have helped create them, but the same could be said for a good number of Woodson's interceptions too. Same for Collins or Williams or Harris or anyone else.

What is your criteria for a DB as to whether he deserves any credit for the passes he picks off in a season?

We covered this several times in several of the other ridiculous Bigby loving threads, so I would refer you there.

I think the short version would go something like this: the DB gets credit when his INT comes as a result of individual effort and/or coverage. He does not when he's standing in deep center facing the play waiting for a badly thrown ball because he's too goddamn slow and stupid to be of any use in any kind of coverage.

To slow and stupid to be of use in any kind of coverage? You mean, like, can't keep up with a WR in man coverage? Newsflash, they don't play the safeties in man coverage. They are supposed to sit back facing the play. That's their job. If Bigby wasn't making those INT's by playing deep center facing the play I'd be more concerned, as that would mean he's out of position. You don't like it? Bitch and Dom for not using Bigby in a more exciting role.

As it is, an INT results in a turnover no matter how it comes. They give credit for it no matter how it happens. You get no extra credit for a highlight reel INT. Same shit happens. Ball is turned over to your offense at the spot where you're tackled, first and ten for the good guys. I don't see the difference.

He also recorded 5 INT's in 2007. That makes him top 10 in INT's amongst all safeties twice in his 3 year career. But, hey, I guess he doesn't get any credit for that because he's too slow and stupid. It's always "Yeah, but..."

Just like Ryan Grant. Top 10 rushing, 2 years of his 3 year career, "Yeah, but..." The stats might not tell the whole story, but they ain't a lie either. Stop whining. We could do far, FAR worse.

[SkinBasket]

He can play the ball too. I think he had 4 interceptions last year, tying him with Tramon Williams for 3rd on the club. There's more to Bigby's game than simply laying the lumber.

Interceptions which were not created by Atari Bigby. The good news is he caught them, I suppose. Yipee.

So pass rush may have helped create them, but the same could be said for a good number of Woodson's interceptions too. Same for Collins or Williams or Harris or anyone else.

What is your criteria for a DB as to whether he deserves any credit for the passes he picks off in a season?

We covered this several times in several of the other ridiculous Bigby loving threads, so I would refer you there.

I think the short version would go something like this: the DB gets credit when his INT comes as a result of individual effort and/or coverage. He does not when he's standing in deep center facing the play waiting for a badly thrown ball because he's too goddamn slow and stupid to be of any use in any kind of coverage.

To slow and stupid to be of use in any kind of coverage? You mean, like, can't keep up with a WR in man coverage? Newsflash, they don't play the safeties in man coverage. They are supposed to sit back facing the play. That's their job. If Bigby wasn't making those INT's by playing deep center facing the play I'd be more concerned, as that would mean he's out of position. You don't like it? Bitch and Dom for not using Bigby in a more exciting role.

As it is, an INT results in a turnover no matter how it comes. They give credit for it no matter how it happens. You get no extra credit for a highlight reel INT. Same shit happens. Ball is turned over to your offense at the spot where you're tackled, first and ten for the good guys. I don't see the difference.

He also recorded 5 INT's in 2007. That makes him top 10 in INT's amongst all safeties twice in his 3 year career. But, hey, I guess he doesn't get any credit for that because he's too slow and stupid. It's always "Yeah, but..."

Just like Ryan Grant. Top 10 rushing, 2 years of his 3 year career, "Yeah, but..." The stats might not tell the whole story, but they ain't a lie either. Stop whining. We could do far, FAR worse.

Just go reread all the old threads on the topic instead of "cleverly" switching the argument from whether Bigby created the turnover to whether he should be statistically credited with the turnover. We covered it all. No sense in doing it again. Oh, and "newsflash," we've seen Bigby play in more than our current scheme.

[RashanGary]

I'm a Bigby fan. I think he'll start this year and play well.

[get louder at lambeau]

He can play the ball too. I think he had 4 interceptions last year, tying him with Tramon Williams for 3rd on the club. There's more to Bigby's game than simply laying the lumber.

Interceptions which were not created by Atari Bigby. The good news is he caught them, I suppose. Yipee.

So pass rush may have helped create them, but the same could be said for a good number of Woodson's interceptions too. Same for Collins or Williams or Harris or anyone else.

What is your criteria for a DB as to whether he deserves any credit for the passes he picks off in a season?

We covered this several times in several of the other ridiculous Bigby loving threads, so I would refer you there.

I think the short version would go something like this: the DB gets credit when his INT comes as a result of individual effort and/or coverage. He does not when he's standing in deep center facing the play waiting for a badly thrown ball because he's too goddamn slow and stupid to be of any use in any kind of coverage.

To slow and stupid to be of use in any kind of coverage? You mean, like, can't keep up with a WR in man coverage? Newsflash, they don't play the safeties in man coverage. They are supposed to sit back facing the play. That's their job. If Bigby wasn't making those INT's by playing deep center facing the play I'd be more concerned, as that would mean he's out of position. You don't like it? Bitch and Dom for not using Bigby in a more exciting role.

As it is, an INT results in a turnover no matter how it comes. They give credit for it no matter how it happens. You get no extra credit for a highlight reel INT. Same shit happens. Ball is turned over to your offense at the spot where you're tackled, first and ten for the good guys. I don't see the difference.

He also recorded 5 INT's in 2007. That makes him top 10 in INT's amongst all safeties twice in his 3 year career. But, hey, I guess he doesn't get any credit for that because he's too slow and stupid. It's always "Yeah, but..."

Just like Ryan Grant. Top 10 rushing, 2 years of his 3 year career, "Yeah, but..." The stats might not tell the whole story, but they ain't a lie either. Stop whining. We could do far, FAR worse.

Just go reread all the old threads on the topic instead of "cleverly" switching the argument from whether Bigby created the turnover to whether he should be statistically credited with the turnover. We covered it all. No sense in doing it again. Oh, and "newsflash," we've seen Bigby play in more than our current scheme.

Yes we have, and as Gunakor just pointed out, he was top 10 in INTs in two of his three years. In two different systems badly thrown balls just keep falling into his slow, stupid, useless hands whenever he's healthy. Weird, huh?

[SkinBasket]

Yes we have, and as Gunakor just pointed out, he was top 10 in INTs in two of his three years. In two different systems badly thrown balls just keep falling into his slow, stupid, useless hands whenever he's healthy. Weird, huh?

I never said useless.

LOL @ highlighted part.

[ThunderDan]

Yes we have, and as Gunakor just pointed out, he was top 10 in INTs in two of his three years. In two different systems badly thrown balls just keep falling into his slow, stupid, useless hands whenever he's healthy. Weird, huh?

I never said useless.

LOL @ highlighted part.

You wished he would die with some other idiot. I said send him back to Jamaica.

Bigby is a decent NFL starter; one you are looking to upgrade at any point that you can. There is not enough room under the salary cap (well when there was a salary cap) to have Pro Bowlers at every position.

This is how I felt about Colledge last year also. He's not good but until you get someone better on the roster he stays.

[ThunderDan]

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[Brandon494]

I don't know what you guys are complaining about but if you have ever watched Bigby play then you know he is not a ball hawking safety and he known for laying big hits. Every ball I have ever seen him pick off was pretty much thrown directly towards him. He is stiff in the hips and lacks coverage skills but makes up for it in his run support. He would not start on most teams in the NFL but since we have no depth at safety some think he is better than he actually is. I'm praying Burnett is a starting SS this season.

I know it sounds like it but Im not hating on Bigby. Its like Donald Lee at TE, yea he is ok as a starter for a few seasons but hes not going to be that playmaker that will win you games. Hopefully Burnett will be that guy and replace Bigby like Finley did with Lee.

[get louder at lambeau]

Yes we have, and as Gunakor just pointed out, he was top 10 in INTs in two of his three years. In two different systems badly thrown balls just keep falling into his slow, stupid, useless hands whenever he's healthy. Weird, huh?

I never said useless.

LOL @ highlighted part.

Yuh-huh! Did too! Liar liar pants on fire!

he's too goddamn slow and stupid to be of any use in any kind of coverage.

"Too slow and stupid to be of any use" pretty much equals "useless," unless you are just trying to split hairs just to be cute.

As far as the highlighted part, yup, he has been injury prone. That'll happen to hard hitting safeties. See Mike Brown and Bob Sanders.

You act like that proves he's a bad player somehow? The best safety in the league, and one of the most durable, Ed Reed, missed 4 games last year and is currently rehabbing after having hip surgery. He has had career threatening neck problems recently too. The other candidate for best safety in the NFL is probably Troy Polamalu, who has missed even more games than Bigby over the last three years due to injury.

And no, (before you go off imagining I did) I'm not saying Bigby is as good as those players. He's also not anywhere near as bad as you like to claim he is.

[packerbacker1234]

Bigby is a legitimate starting safety in the NFL....great? Hell no, but you could win with him.

At the risk of sounding soft of Cocksucker McStrudle, I have maintained that as long as he is the only player of such limitation on the field, we can hide him adequately against exposure. My biggest problems were when we had Bigby and Poppinga on the field at the same time. No defense can hide that kind of ineptitude.

That being said, finding someone with some kind of skill other than having an unearned reputation for "big" hits and a totally earned reputation for slow feet, stiff hips, bad angles, and injuries would be splendid.

Our best players on defense have been ham-stringed trying to cover up it's deficiencies before. An average player who allows our great players to be unleashed instead of compensating for suck-assedness would be nice.

What about the fact he has the most turnovers per play in packers history? I forget what the exact margins were, but in a previous Bigby thread someone pointed out that Bigby, when he is healthy, causes more havoc turnover wise than Collins, and the statistics proved beyond that - he caused more havoc turnover wise than any other packer in the history of the NFL.

Does he take some bad angles at times? Sure, so does Collins, he just has "make up speed". Does Bigby always make big hits? No, but he has made enough of them to warrant the reputation. Is he the fastest guy? Of course not, but he is a starting caliber safety. I never understood the Bigby hate. Not because if the drop off we have had without him, but because of his actual production ont he field.

He is ALWAYS causing turnovers, and reaking havoc to wr's running those 15 yard posts. He does everything he is suppose to do as starting SS, and then some because he is getting the turnover ratio of a top flight FS, and yet all we packer fans do is rag on the guy.

Look, Burnett has looked good, but to expect him to cause more turnovers than a safety for the packers who ahs the best turnover rate of any packer in the history of organization is laughable.

[Brandon494]

Look, Burnett has looked good, but to expect him to cause more turnovers than a safety for the packers who ahs the best turnover rate of any packer in the history of organization is laughable.

Its not really all that laughable when you look at the QBs he picked off in his career....

K Holocomb
T Jackson
Jon Kinta
M Bulger
J McCown
D Stanton
M Hassellback
B. St. Pierre

Also all his INTs last season we were leading by 20+ points in each game so its not like any of them were game changers.

No one is hating on Bigby, but the guy is near the bottom of starting SS in the league and would not start on any other playoff team.