More "Mr. August" hype

[Lurker64]

heard bishop stuck with finley a couple times and blanketed him. the same guy who's supposedly a safety and lb's nightmare. bishop wants it, he plays with fire and i gotta think enough big plays can make up for the couple.

Well, I head that he blanketed Finley too, but I also heard that he did it by just hanging on to Finley's jersey.

[Tony Oday]

heard bishop stuck with finley a couple times and blanketed him. the same guy who's supposedly a safety and lb's nightmare. bishop wants it, he plays with fire and i gotta think enough big plays can make up for the couple.

Well, I head that he blanketed Finley too, but I also heard that he did it by just hanging on to Finley's jersey.

Ahmad Carroll played many years like that

[pbmax]

Hawk did have 2 INTs last year, second on the team in tackles, second on the team in solo tackles. What does the guy have to do? If he played OLB and added 5 sacks would that be worth it? I am all about getting rid of mediocre players but I see Hawk as a SOLID pro that plays great on down one and two. I think he needs to keep making steps and play with a little more abandon but not at the risk of giving up the big play.

Slow and steady doesn't cut it for a top 5 pick. Hes a overpaid 2 down LB at best. I don't understand how this guy gets a pass for whatever reason.

If you want to hold his feet (or Ted's) to the fire, then your criticism makes sense. But if a #5 pick is productive, 2 downs or 3, is there really room for complaint when half the first rounds busts out?

Now if he was a second year player, I can see arguing you made a mistake and should trade him while the value is high. But if he is truly a mixed bag, you will never get value for him in picks. I find it hard to complain about a solid starter at #5. Should have been better, but could have been a whole lot worse.

[Tony Oday]

And really that year I would only have selected Haloti Ngata over Hawk based on our team. Cromartie would be a luxury but would he be happy being a nickle back for the last 2 1/2 years?

[falco]

I doubt Hawk is getting playing time due to his draft status. TT has shown no predisposition to higher draft picks, even cutting Brohm loose well before he had a chance to blossom.

I'm confused by Bishop. The guy has looked awesome in the preseason.

[Brandon494]

Hawk did have 2 INTs last year, second on the team in tackles, second on the team in solo tackles. What does the guy have to do? If he played OLB and added 5 sacks would that be worth it? I am all about getting rid of mediocre players but I see Hawk as a SOLID pro that plays great on down one and two. I think he needs to keep making steps and play with a little more abandon but not at the risk of giving up the big play.

Slow and steady doesn't cut it for a top 5 pick. Hes a overpaid 2 down LB at best. I don't understand how this guy gets a pass for whatever reason.

Why should Bishop be given a pass because he wasn't a top 5 pick? Either he is better or he is not.

I didn't say Bishop should get a pass because he wasnt a top pick. I think he should start over Hawk because he is a better blitz and we struggled at times at pressuring the QB. Listen Hawk is aight but I just want to see Bishop out there. I trust the coachs will make the right move, even if we don't start Bishop I just want to see him get more playing time.

[ThunderDan]

Hawk did have 2 INTs last year, second on the team in tackles, second on the team in solo tackles. What does the guy have to do? If he played OLB and added 5 sacks would that be worth it? I am all about getting rid of mediocre players but I see Hawk as a SOLID pro that plays great on down one and two. I think he needs to keep making steps and play with a little more abandon but not at the risk of giving up the big play.

Slow and steady doesn't cut it for a top 5 pick. Hes a overpaid 2 down LB at best. I don't understand how this guy gets a pass for whatever reason.

Why should Bishop be given a pass because he wasn't a top 5 pick? Either he is better or he is not.

I didn't say Bishop should get a pass because he wasnt a top pick. I think he should start over Hawk because he is a better blitz and we struggled at times at pressuring the QB. Listen Hawk is aight but I just want to see Bishop out there. I trust the coachs will make the right move, even if we don't start Bishop I just want to see him get more playing time.

Bishop had every opportunity in the world to play in 2008 when Barnett went out but he was so bad they moved Hawk inside and played Chiller and Popp on the outside.

Bishop had opportunities in 2009 and he couldn't crack the line up. You can't afford a player on D who will cost your team 10 points a game because he is assignment unsure.

If Bishop can stop the mental mistakes he has a great chance at pushing Hawk and talking playing time. If he can't he will be a special teamer for his Packer career and move on after this year.

The thing that makes me realize he probably hasn't improved his mental game is his quote that he thinks he is one of the top 2 ILB in the NFL. Only a selfabsorbed loser says something like that when he doesn't even have a start in an NFL game on his resume.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He also sounds like a bit of an a-hole. It doesn't take a scout to know that Chillar is indeed faster than Bishop. I don't know what tape he is watching.

It really won't work, however, if the Packers find themselves giving up too much in coverage with Bishop in Chillar's old nickel role.

Some will remember Bishop being embarrassed in coverage by Houston in December 2008. Bishop ran 40 yards in 4.8 seconds weighing 239, also his current weight, at the combine in 2007. Chillar's 40 clocking at 253 pounds coming out of UCLA in 2004 was 4.75.

“One, the 40 is not really about how fast you are,” Bishop said. “It’s a lot about technique. Two, I wouldn’t say Chillar is faster than me. The times I did get in (last season), check the film how I covered. I can cover.”

[Freak Out]

It's simple......show the coaches what you can do and you'll make the field. There is no conspiracy to keep the guy off the field because of someones else's draft status.

[packers11]

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100803/PKR01/100803164

August 3rd - 2010

Thumbs Down

Those convinced Desmond Bishop should be an every-down player should have seen Tuesday night’s practice.

Given the opportunity to play with the starters for the entire practice in base and nickel for the first time this summer, Bishop did what he often does in his few real game opportunities.

That is, he gave up too many plays.

A day after he was thrown into a new-look nickel package, he also got the base reps because Nick Barnett was resting his surgical repaired knee.

Bishop might be a powerful hitter and a decent rusher, but he once again struggled in coverage. He gave up a long catch to tight end Jermichael Finley on a seam route for a 21-yard gain in the 7-on-7 two-minute drill. In the same drill, he gave up the winning touchdown to Donald Lee on first-and-goal from the 6-yard line with 16 seconds left. He also was in coverage on Nelson’s deep seam route.

Sure, Bishop made some noise, like when he knocked off Finley’s helmet after the tight end made a short catch in the flat but for every big play he makes, he seems to give up one, too.

Maybe that’s why in his first three seasons, he never received any consistent playing time.

Same story... Different year... Bishop lives in lala land if he thinks hes one of the top 2 inside lb's in the NFL

[sharpe1027]

Slow and steady doesn't cut it for a top 5 pick. Hes a overpaid 2 down LB at best. I don't understand how this guy gets a pass for whatever reason.

Why should Bishop be given a pass because he wasn't a top 5 pick? Either he is better or he is not.

I didn't say Bishop should get a pass because he wasnt a top pick. I think he should start over Hawk because he is a better blitz and we struggled at times at pressuring the QB. Listen Hawk is aight but I just want to see Bishop out there. I trust the coachs will make the right move, even if we don't start Bishop I just want to see him get more playing time.

True, but nobody said Hawk should get a pass either. I can see your point, but Bishop got a shot and blew it last year (IMO). There's plenty of players that ooh and ahh in practice or preseason every year. I doubt he's getting the shaft because of draft pick positions from several years ago.

[rbaloha1]

Hawk Apologists

With Chillar outside in nickel, the logical player to fill his nickel spot inside alongside Nick Barnett would have been A.J. Hawk. McCarthy had employed Hawk in that role from 2006 until early '09.

This time, McCarthy and Capers inserted Desmond Bishop, a little-used star of past Augusts, and not Hawk.


If Bishop performs its time to trade Hawk. Hopefully the Packers learned from Kampman.

Mr. August now must transform to Mr. Regular Season. Go Bishop!

[rbaloha1]

Oh My!

Thumbs down

Those convinced Desmond Bishop should be an every-down player should have seen Tuesday night’s practice.

Given the opportunity to play with the starters for the entire practice in base and nickel for the first time this summer, Bishop did what he often does in his few real game opportunities.

That is, he gave up too many plays.

A day after he was thrown into a new-look nickel package, he also got the base reps because Nick Barnett was resting his surgical repaired knee.

Bishop might be a powerful hitter and a decent rusher, but he once again struggled in coverage. He gave up a long catch to tight end Jermichael Finley on a seam route for a 21-yard gain in the 7-on-7 two-minute drill. In the same drill, he gave up the winning touchdown to Donald Lee on first-and-goal from the 6-yard line with 16 seconds left. He also was in coverage on Nelson’s deep seam route.

Sure, Bishop made some noise, like when he knocked off Finley’s helmet after the tight end made a short catch in the flat but for every big play he makes, he seems to give up one, too.

Maybe that’s why in his first three seasons, he never received any consistent playing time.

[pbmax]

http://packersnews.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100803/PKR01/100803164

August 3rd - 2010

Thumbs Down

Those convinced Desmond Bishop should be an every-down player should have seen Tuesday night’s practice.

Given the opportunity to play with the starters for the entire practice in base and nickel for the first time this summer, Bishop did what he often does in his few real game opportunities.

That is, he gave up too many plays.

A day after he was thrown into a new-look nickel package, he also got the base reps because Nick Barnett was resting his surgical repaired knee.

Bishop might be a powerful hitter and a decent rusher, but he once again struggled in coverage. He gave up a long catch to tight end Jermichael Finley on a seam route for a 21-yard gain in the 7-on-7 two-minute drill. In the same drill, he gave up the winning touchdown to Donald Lee on first-and-goal from the 6-yard line with 16 seconds left. He also was in coverage on Nelson’s deep seam route.

Sure, Bishop made some noise, like when he knocked off Finley’s helmet after the tight end made a short catch in the flat but for every big play he makes, he seems to give up one, too.

Maybe that’s why in his first three seasons, he never received any consistent playing time.

Same story... Different year... Bishop lives in lala land if he thinks hes one of the top 2 inside lb's in the NFL

This begs the question, why is Bishop in a nickel package? Is this just training? Will he simply be part of the rush/contain/run assignment and not have coverage responsibilities? Or are they simply looking to see if they can live with him there?

I still think this has more to do with depth at OLB than Bishops snaps at ILB. If Chillar backs up OLB Jones because they decide Popp, Obiozor or Zongo cannot be trusted, then Bishop will be on the field earlier as an ILB.

But if he is part of a new nickel package, he has to play in the box. Leaving the other LBs to mix coverage and blitzing.

[Pugger]

Hawk did have 2 INTs last year, second on the team in tackles, second on the team in solo tackles. What does the guy have to do? If he played OLB and added 5 sacks would that be worth it? I am all about getting rid of mediocre players but I see Hawk as a SOLID pro that plays great on down one and two. I think he needs to keep making steps and play with a little more abandon but not at the risk of giving up the big play.

The reason why folks don't care for Hawk is his draft status. Had he been taken later in the first round or the second nobody would be grumbling about him. However, because he was the 5th player taken in that draft and he isn't the second coming of LT he gets blasted by fans.