Mason Crosby

[Patler]

Did you get a cease and desist letter from United Features Syndicate over the avatar?

Na, just taking a lower profile.
Actually, it was a little experiment.

[MJZiggy]

Did you get a cease and desist letter from United Features Syndicate over the avatar?

Na, just taking a lower profile.
Actually, it was a little experiment.

We noticed. Immediately. Ok?

[Patler]

Did you get a cease and desist letter from United Features Syndicate over the avatar?

Na, just taking a lower profile.
Actually, it was a little experiment.

We noticed. Immediately. Ok?

I was curious if people respond to names or avatars.

[Tony Oday]

longwell went 50% first three years over 50% career


AND I AGREE ON THE OVER 50+ KICKS

that being said he is NOT that good of a kicker to not have another kicker in camp. He is 75% career kicker between 30-49 yards.

[Patler]

longwell went 50% first three years over 50% career


AND I AGREE ON THE OVER 50+ KICKS

that being said he is NOT that good of a kicker to not have another kicker in camp. He is 75% career kicker between 30-49 yards.

In his first three seasons Longwell was 71/84 under 50 yards.
In his first three seasons Crosby is 74/89 under 50 yards.

Longwell was 2/4 at 50+.
Crosby is 8/17.

I don't see much difference except for the long range kick attempts.

[Tony Oday]

longwell went 50% first three years over 50% career


AND I AGREE ON THE OVER 50+ KICKS

that being said he is NOT that good of a kicker to not have another kicker in camp. He is 75% career kicker between 30-49 yards.

In his first three seasons Longwell was 71/84 under 50 yards.
In his first three seasons Crosby is 74/89 under 50 yards.

Longwell was 2/4 at 50+.
Crosby is 8/17.

I don't see much difference except for the long range kick attempts.

And Lognwell had camp kickers EVERY year. That is what I am saying. I think I just argued it terribly. I think Mason CAN be awesome. I HOPE he is awesome. I don't think he WILL be awesome. I just want the Pack to be the best they can be!

[Patler]

And Lognwell had camp kickers EVERY year. That is what I am saying. I think I just argued it terribly. I think Mason CAN be awesome. I HOPE he is awesome. I don't think he WILL be awesome. I just want the Pack to be the best they can be!

I don't know, did he?
Part of the reason may have been #s. Camp rosters were larger, with NFL-E exemptions. Lots of teams have complained that camp wears out their kickers and punters, but they can't afford roster spots for extras with the lower numbers.

[Tony Oday]

And Lognwell had camp kickers EVERY year. That is what I am saying. I think I just argued it terribly. I think Mason CAN be awesome. I HOPE he is awesome. I don't think he WILL be awesome. I just want the Pack to be the best they can be!

I don't know, did he?
Part of the reason may have been #s. Camp rosters were larger, with NFL-E exemptions. Lots of teams have complained that camp wears out their kickers and punters, but they can't afford roster spots for extras with the lower numbers.

That could be, I just wish at 40 yards this guy would be almost automatic. I mean don't you get that feeling of dread when he goes out when the kick is around a 40 that he is going to miss? I do and I HATE that hehe

Alright ENOUGH worrying...90% kick make rate this year!!! WRITE THAT DOWN!!! Hell I can get behind Hawk, Spitz, Wells, Grant and Tramon so F it I can get behind Crosby!

[mmmdk]

I'm pretty sure this is the last chance for Crosby in Green Bay; that rookie season is getting further & further away.

[Patler]

I'm pretty sure this is the last chance for Crosby in Green Bay; that rookie season is getting further & further away.

The funny thing is, Crosby's rookie season was the only time he had any stability at all with his holder. He worked mostly with Jon Ryan, spending time with others only to have an emergency backup available. Ryan held for the whole season. In the two seasons and 33 games since then, Crosby has changed snappers twice (not anyone's fault) and has had to work with at least 8 different holders that I can think of.

There was an interesting article from an interview with Capers, during which he discussed how important it was not to waste too many practice reps in camp on players who wouldn't be there. They mentioned the huge number of "wasted reps" in training camp last year on Anthony Smith and Aaron Rouse who were gone a few weeks later. Capers said he wouldn't make that mistake this year.

How many of Crosby's practice reps the last two years have been and are being wasted on inexperienced holders who will not make it as holders and who might not even be on the roster in the first place? The simple fact that he has worked with so many different ones has to indicate a lot of his reps are wasted ones.

[Spaulding]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/sortableStats?div=NFL&table=kicking&stat=kickFg&di r=descending

He is 25th in accuracy and was 2/6 in 50+...though he did try a 66 yarder right so call that 2/5. He is not a top 10 kicker therefore we should look for a replacement. Hell that is the reason people want to get rid of Ryan Grant.

That list is subject for debate. Many of the kickers above Crosby have zero, one or two kicks from 50+ and fewer from 40-49. You could easily Argue that Crosby moves up 5-10 spots if the playing field was even. Add to that many of the kickers higher ranked kick in far better playing conditions come November/December.

I've followed Crosby since his days at CU and I sleep better at night knowing that he's our kicker. Sure he misses a few he shouldn't but he also gives you the chance to nail that 55+ yarder that most kickers don't. I think as Patler has been stating that once the holder position is figured out and consistent that he'll improve his numbers to some extent.

[packerbacker1234]

83% on kicks under 50 simply isn't good enough. That means 17% of the time we throw him out there, he is going to miss 1 out of every 5 kicks under 50. That's not good enough in my book.

I don't just want an "average" NFL kicker 45 and in. I want automatic 45 and in. Automatic is like 85 to 90% range.

I am not saying he is as bad as we make him out to be, but he has missed some kicks that are completely inexcusable, and all his misses (well, most opf them) seem to occur from the same area on tyhe field.

At some point, you can't blame the snapper and holder anymore. From his first season to now, he has SUCKED from the right hash mark. How much longer can we blame the holder?

[retailguy]

I don't think there is anything wrong with Mason Crosby. He's in a bit of a slump, but really, he's still better than the bulk of kickers in the NFL. McCarthy needs to put him in a position where he's more successful. Knock off this 60 yard crap.

They focused on getting him some sort of NFL distance record, and it blew up on them. Get back to the basics... no more problems.

[Little Whiskey]

I don't just want an "average" NFL kicker 45 and in. I want automatic 45 and in. Automatic is like 85 to 90% range.

pb1234, you're asking for an additional 2% from Crosby. he has attempted total 109 fg. 2% is 2 more fgs made. he has played 3 years. thats less than 1 more made fg per year. by your numbers, he's the guy you want.

[Little Whiskey]

reading his bio on packers.com, another important stat that hasn't been disussed much. 43 touchbacks in 3 years, ranks 9th in the league. his 17 tb's in 2008 is the most since '72.