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    Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

    I am going to put on the blindfold first, get spun around twice, and pin the blame on....Mike McCarthy's balls!

    If Mike McCarthy had a clear vision for special teams, an articulated preference for a particular style of covering and returning kicks and punts, or even an adequate understanding of basic NFL special teams organization we would have seen improvement over the last three years.

    We have seen a greater EMPHASIS on special teams, but so far the results are wanting. Yes we have had trouble finding a returner. That can be Ted's fault. But the next fully formed wedge I see in front of a kick returner will be the first one.

    If Mike knew what he wanted to see out of his special teams, and I mean specifically and quantitatively, then he would have hired the right coach by now to do things the way he wants things done. I don't think either of them have a clue.

    Right now special teams are a continuing embarrassment, and if Mike had any balls he'd fire Shawn Slocum while we still have time to prepare for the season.
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    Just watched the game. Coverage wasn't a huge problem. Returning sucked (a fumble, a couple of muffs), but I don't anticipate anybody that returned a kick to be doing it in the regular season. You didn't see Will Blackmon, Tramon Williams, or Jordy Nelson returning. Kickoffs were good. Made our only FG attempt. Punting was okay. Both guys did very well--until their last punt.
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    • #3
      Harvey!

      How are we going to play the blame game if you go all reasonable on me?
      [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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      • #4
        Haven't gotten to see a full Packers' game in a long time, so I'll take your post as a given.

        Still, I wanted to throw in that the NFL has outlawed "fully-formed wedge"s. The max you can have together is two, correct?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by NewsBruin
          Haven't gotten to see a full Packers' game in a long time, so I'll take your post as a given.

          Still, I wanted to throw in that the NFL has outlawed "fully-formed wedge"s. The max you can have together is two, correct?
          I'd settle for one.

          I'd also congratulate you for being smart enough to accept Harv's post as a given.

          For a while my signature was, "When in doubt, trust Harvey."
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          • #6
            Re: Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

            Originally posted by swede
            I am going to put on the blindfold first, get spun around twice, and pin the blame on....

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            • #7
              Didn't he use to be asleep?
              [QUOTE=George Cumby] ...every draft (Ted) would pick a solid, dependable, smart, athletically limited linebacker...the guy who isn't doing drugs, going to strip bars, knocking around his girlfriend or making any plays of game changing significance.

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              • #8
                I honestly don't worry about special teams that much. Last year the top 3 special teams units were on Cleveland, Tampa Bay and Buffalo. Indianapolis and New Orleans ranked 28 and 29. I'm not saying I'm happy with the Packers ranking of 31, but some modest improvement would be enough. You can win a Super Bowl without top notch special teams.

                My main thing is, I want Crosby to be consistent from inside 50, and I want the kickoff coverage teams to avoid long returns. Any thing else is gravy.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by HarveyWallbangers
                  Just watched the game. Coverage wasn't a huge problem. Returning sucked (a fumble, a couple of muffs), but I don't anticipate anybody that returned a kick to be doing it in the regular season. You didn't see Will Blackmon, Tramon Williams, or Jordy Nelson returning. Kickoffs were good. Made our only FG attempt. Punting was okay. Both guys did very well--until their last punt.
                  Got to disagree Harvey. On one of the Packer punter the outside contain (not the gunner) ran to the hash mark and the return ran right down the sideline. There were fundimental coverage lapses.

                  And was there any blocking on our returns? As much as we want to blame the return guys, it seemed like on most punts 4 Browns were down the field without getting touched.

                  The punters actually looked good until the end.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

                    Originally posted by swede
                    But the next fully formed wedge I see in front of a kick returner will be the first one.
                    And we'll be flagged for it. Rules changed last year.

                    nytimes.com
                    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/24/sports/football/24nfl.html


                    ...the penalty will be devastating: 15 yards from the spot of the foul if a wedge intentionally forms. Considering that wedges usually form somewhere between the 10- and 15-yard lines, it is likely the penalty would instead be assessed as half the distance to the goal line.
                    I'd hope it would be the last one too.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

                      Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                      Originally posted by swede
                      I am going to put on the blindfold first, get spun around twice, and pin the blame on....

                      Let me guess. You come from the Obama school of Management, right?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

                        Originally posted by retailguy
                        Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                        Originally posted by swede
                        I am going to put on the blindfold first, get spun around twice, and pin the blame on....

                        Let me guess. You come from the Obama school of Management, right?

                        Do you really think I could get into Harvard?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pin the Blame on the Special Team's Donkey

                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by retailguy
                          Originally posted by Scott Campbell
                          Originally posted by swede
                          I am going to put on the blindfold first, get spun around twice, and pin the blame on....

                          Let me guess. You come from the Obama school of Management, right?

                          Do you really think I could get into Harvard?
                          Surely they have a mascot position you could qualify for.

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                          • #14
                            ST seems to be an area where the coach can make a tremendous difference. It's clear less talented teams can have good special teams play (see reference above to rankings). So maybe this is a coaching issue. I can see MM not wanting to change coaches AGAIN, but geez, it doesn't look too great so far.
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                            • #15
                              I think we have our scapegoat (from the training camp thread)

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