Packers v Vikings

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Packers v Vikings

Interesting predictions. I believe however the last time Jared Allen went up against Clifton he sacked AR once for a safety, forced an illegal forward pass for a safety, and was in Rodgers face all game. In other words Clifton really did'nt fare much better than Lang.

Jared Allen vs. Chad Clifton in his career:

9/6/2008 - 0 tackles, 0 sacks
11/9/2008 - 2 tackles, 1 sack (for a safety--which ARod should have thrown away, I believe)
11/4/2007 - 3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Average = 2.3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Big difference between that and last year:

10/5/2009 - 7 tackles, 4.5 sacks
11/1/2009 - 5 tackles, 3 sacks

Average = 6 tackles, 3.75 sacks

Clifton has made him look pedestrian--while the guys last year single-handedly put Allen in the Pro Bowl. He had 7.5 sacks in those two games and 7 sacks in his other 14 games.

Nice post Harv. That performance by Clifton against Allen at KC in 2007 was a thing of beauty.

I like how he includes a stat from a totally different line in the first comparison. Allen did not play with the likes of Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Ray Edwards, LeTroy Guion, or Brian Robison in 2007. His teammates help his play, he helps his teammates play and so on. Either way to write him off, or any other member of the Viking's D Line is a mistake. October 24 is a long way out.

My intoxicated bad ....... but I stand by the rest of the post.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Packers v Vikings

Interesting predictions. I believe however the last time Jared Allen went up against Clifton he sacked AR once for a safety, forced an illegal forward pass for a safety, and was in Rodgers face all game. In other words Clifton really did'nt fare much better than Lang.

Jared Allen vs. Chad Clifton in his career:

9/6/2008 - 0 tackles, 0 sacks
11/9/2008 - 2 tackles, 1 sack (for a safety--which ARod should have thrown away, I believe)
11/4/2007 - 3 tackles, 0.5 sacks
Average = 2.3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Big difference between that and last year:

10/5/2009 - 7 tackles, 4.5 sacks
11/1/2009 - 5 tackles, 3 sacks

Average = 6 tackles, 3.75 sacks

Clifton has made him look pedestrian--while the guys last year single-handedly put Allen in the Pro Bowl. He had 7.5 sacks in those two games and 7 sacks in his other 14 games.

Nice post Harv. That performance by Clifton against Allen at KC in 2007 was a thing of beauty.

I like how he includes a stat from a totally different line in the first comparison. Allen did not play with the likes of Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Ray Edwards, LeTroy Guion, or Brian Robison in 2007. His teammates help his play, he helps his teammates play and so on. Either way to write him off, or any other member of the Viking's D Line is a mistake. October 24 is a long way out.

My intoxicated bad ....... but I stand by the rest of the post.

WOW, still intoxicated and found out I apologized for nothing, So....... My more intoxicated bad for my intoxicated bad I stand by it all!!

[SMACKTALKIE]

Re: Packers v Vikings

Interesting predictions. I believe however the last time Jared Allen went up against Clifton he sacked AR once for a safety, forced an illegal forward pass for a safety, and was in Rodgers face all game. In other words Clifton really did'nt fare much better than Lang.

Jared Allen vs. Chad Clifton in his career:

9/6/2008 - 0 tackles, 0 sacks
11/9/2008 - 2 tackles, 1 sack (for a safety--which ARod should have thrown away, I believe)
11/4/2007 - 3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Average = 2.3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Big difference between that and last year:

10/5/2009 - 7 tackles, 4.5 sacks
11/1/2009 - 5 tackles, 3 sacks

Average = 6 tackles, 3.75 sacks

Clifton has made him look pedestrian--while the guys last year single-handedly put Allen in the Pro Bowl. He had 7.5 sacks in those two games and 7 sacks in his other 14 games.

Nice post Harv. That performance by Clifton against Allen at KC in 2007 was a thing of beauty.

I will add that your box scores do not include QB hurries. My point is that Rodgers has had no reason to feel confortable in the pocket against the Vikings for a while, with or without Clifton. I've noticed alot of rollouts right from the Packers since Allen joined the Vikings. Obviously by design, but it limits the field.

[Bossman641]

30 yards rushing from Grant isn't going to get the job done. If Rodgers is the leading rusher for the Pack it's over.

Also, I said it when the schedule was released: the NFL spared Favre (again) a cold weather game in GB. THe NFL also kept MN largely inside from late Nov through Dec. If I believed in conspiracy theories, these facts would drive me crazy!

Finally, the most important game in your season is the home game against the Division rival. You have to win that game. Packers win that gam last year, they get a bye and a home Divisional game. Huge difference. Packers HAVE to beat the Vikings at home. HAVE to.

This, except they do drive me crazy. Second year in a row the NFL rolls out the fuckin red carpet for Favre.

[bobblehead]

Re: Packers v Vikings

Interesting predictions. I believe however the last time Jared Allen went up against Clifton he sacked AR once for a safety, forced an illegal forward pass for a safety, and was in Rodgers face all game. In other words Clifton really did'nt fare much better than Lang.

Jared Allen vs. Chad Clifton in his career:

9/6/2008 - 0 tackles, 0 sacks
11/9/2008 - 2 tackles, 1 sack (for a safety--which ARod should have thrown away, I believe)
11/4/2007 - 3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Average = 2.3 tackles, 0.5 sacks

Big difference between that and last year:

10/5/2009 - 7 tackles, 4.5 sacks
11/1/2009 - 5 tackles, 3 sacks

Average = 6 tackles, 3.75 sacks

Clifton has made him look pedestrian--while the guys last year single-handedly put Allen in the Pro Bowl. He had 7.5 sacks in those two games and 7 sacks in his other 14 games.

Nice post Harv. That performance by Clifton against Allen at KC in 2007 was a thing of beauty.

I like how he includes a stat from a totally different line in the first comparison. Allen did not play with the likes of Kevin Williams, Pat Williams, Ray Edwards, LeTroy Guion, or Brian Robison in 2007. His teammates help his play, he helps his teammates play and so on. Either way to write him off, or any other member of the Viking's D Line is a mistake. October 24 is a long way out.

I recall going into that game hearing about how strong the chiefs front 7 was. That if not for the complete lack of a QB they would be a really good team. And why did he get more sacks in 14 games with those inferior players around him than he got in 16 games with Minnesota??

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I recall going into that game hearing about how strong the chiefs front 7 was. That if not for the complete lack of a QB they would be a really good team. And why did he get more sacks in 14 games with those inferior players around him than he got in 16 games with Minnesota??

BOX again

I believe Clifton and Tauscher are a huge improvement in pass blocking over Colledge at LT/Lang/Barbre. Bulaga also could improve LG. We'll see. The proof is in the pudding. A lot of Vikings fans here in the Twin Cities are in a dream world thinking the Vikings are much better than the Packers. In the other 14 games last year, playing a similar schedule, the Packers went 11-3 and the Vikings went 10-4. Minnesota just happened to play Green Bay when they were their healthiest and Green Bay wasn't (no Clifton, Tauscher, Nelson, Finley, etc.). On offense, at least.

[mngolf19]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I recall going into that game hearing about how strong the chiefs front 7 was. That if not for the complete lack of a QB they would be a really good team. And why did he get more sacks in 14 games with those inferior players around him than he got in 16 games with Minnesota??

BOX again

I believe Clifton and Tauscher are a huge improvement in pass blocking over Colledge at LT/Lang/Barbre. Bulaga also could improve LG. We'll see. The proof is in the pudding. A lot of Vikings fans here in the Twin Cities are in a dream world thinking the Vikings are much better than the Packers. In the other 14 games last year, playing a similar schedule, the Packers went 11-3 and the Vikings went 10-4. Minnesota just happened to play Green Bay when they were their healthiest and Green Bay wasn't (no Clifton, Tauscher, Nelson, Finley, etc.). On offense, at least.

I think they're very close. I'd argue the biggest difference is coaches. Chilly gets them up for these games and MM doesn't.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I think they're very close. I'd argue the biggest difference is coaches. Chilly gets them up for these games and MM doesn't.

I think they are almost identical in "big games". To me, the biggest games are playoff games, against each other, and against Chicago. McCarthy is 10-9 in those games. Childress is 8-11.

[mraynrand]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I think they're very close. I'd argue the biggest difference is coaches. Chilly gets them up for these games and MM doesn't.

I think they are almost identical in "big games". To me, the biggest games are playoff games, against each other, and against Chicago. McCarthy is 10-9 in those games. Childress is 8-11.

It really all came down to the Game in GB. The Packers were not up to the challenge, personnel-wise. Tackles were a mess and Finley was out (Kinda reminds you of the 2002 wildcard against Atlanta, except Favre played better!).

[3irty1]

Queens weren't exactly healthy for our games either. I think they were missing Winfield for one and obviously Henderson.

That said its pretty unrealistic for Vikings fans to expect the success JA or anyone for that matter enjoyed against GB offensive lines that were bafflingly poor for the first half of the season. The Packers are more prepared for injury along the OL this year and should fare at least as well as the rest of the league against JA and the Queens. Our own passrush is my main concern in losing another shootout with the Vikings.

[mraynrand]

Queens weren't exactly healthy for our games either. I think they were missing Winfield for one and obviously Henderson..... Our own passrush is my main concern in losing another shootout with the Vikings.

Good post. If Favre stays clean, the Packers lose.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Queens weren't exactly healthy for our games either. I think they were missing Winfield for one and obviously Henderson.

Henderson didn't get injured until late in the year. He played in both games. Winfield missed the second game, but personally I think it's a lot easier to overcome the loss of a corner that it is your LT--not to mention the other guys. Like you said, we weren't prepared for what happened Clifton (injury) and Barbre (suckiness). I think we're better able to handle it this year.

[bobblehead]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I recall going into that game hearing about how strong the chiefs front 7 was. That if not for the complete lack of a QB they would be a really good team. And why did he get more sacks in 14 games with those inferior players around him than he got in 16 games with Minnesota??

BOX again

I believe Clifton and Tauscher are a huge improvement in pass blocking over Colledge at LT/Lang/Barbre. Bulaga also could improve LG. We'll see. The proof is in the pudding. A lot of Vikings fans here in the Twin Cities are in a dream world thinking the Vikings are much better than the Packers. In the other 14 games last year, playing a similar schedule, the Packers went 11-3 and the Vikings went 10-4. Minnesota just happened to play Green Bay when they were their healthiest and Green Bay wasn't (no Clifton, Tauscher, Nelson, Finley, etc.). On offense, at least.

I'm not sure what BOX again means. Are you challenging my assertion that he had more sacks and want a "box score"?? If so, use google, if not please explain so I can understand.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I'm not sure what BOX again means. Are you challenging my assertion that he had more sacks and want a "box score"?? If so, use google, if not please explain so I can understand.

BOX means you put somebody in the box. The reference being to smacktalkie.

[Tony Oday]

Re: Packers v Vikings

I'm not sure what BOX again means. Are you challenging my assertion that he had more sacks and want a "box score"?? If so, use google, if not please explain so I can understand.

BOX means you put somebody in the box. The reference being to smacktalkie.

KFAN uses it all the time basically saying you have no recourse or argument that works because all the facts are against you.