Chilly loses cred

[Tarlam!]

Remember Mac's 6+ hour sit-in with Brett? He said: "I came out of that meeting believing that Brett was not in the right state of mind to quarterback the Packers."

That leads me to believe that:

a. Brett didn't want to go along with Mac's hard line. Coming to practice. Working even harder than the year before. Committing.

or

b. Brett thought he was bigger than the team and Mac thought it was beyond repair.

Well, a., Bert proved last season he doesn't need camp reps. And b., he was the main reason the Vikings went to the record they did, so, he was the bigger part of that team.

TT and M3 wanted to end the Favre Era after the NFCCG meltdown and they made all the right moves to bring it about. So did Bert.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Rodgers is the Packers QB, but I can't deny Bert's talent. It's too bad his father died when he did.

[retailguy]

Something clicked in Favre after he became a superstar, and he no longer seemed willing to accept coaching - Sherman, McCarthy, sideline issues with Childress last year, etc. He seems able to get along with those who treat him with kid gloves (i.e. Bevell) but doesn't take it well when somebody tells him to change something about the way he plays.

His Dad died.

Yup. This is what happened.

[mraynrand]

Something clicked in Favre after he became a superstar, and he no longer seemed willing to accept coaching - Sherman, McCarthy, sideline issues with Childress last year, etc. He seems able to get along with those who treat him with kid gloves (i.e. Bevell) but doesn't take it well when somebody tells him to change something about the way he plays.

His Dad died.

Yup. This is what happened.

Well, it happened for a while under Sherman mostly in 2004 and 2005 - and perhaps Irv kept Favre from becoming a prima donna in public (that's what I think) - but whether he accepted coaching or not, Favre had two absolutely OUTSTANDING years in 2007 and 2009, (and a decent rebuilding year in 2006) Save the two horrible INTs, 2007/9 were probably the most disciplined years he ever had, even including '95 and '96, where Favre (Holmgren) took a lot more chances in the passing game. Both 2007 and 2009 were easily on par with or better than his last MVP year in '97.

Look, Favre is a huge competitor. He gets way up for games where he's challenged - including games following injury and games against former coaches and teams. he will be very very hard for the Packers to beat unless he's physically hurting. Make no mistake, Favre is still a tremendous QB, and a great competitor.

[packerbacker1234]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

Read the article. Issues have been present before favre was even in the picture. It's pretty clear this isn't a new relevalation in the locker room. Even last year the QB's complained that he would never let them audible, which was a hinderence, and now favre gets to because it's favre.

This didn't sound like it was an issue coming because of the favre situation, what it sounded like is the favre situation is what brought it to the light of the public. Read the article, and you will notice how it sort of talks about this being a continual problem sicne childress arrived.

We aren't talking about the article. Every time anyone says anything remotely negative about #4 you come running to his defense so you sound like an Favre apologist.

I'm sorry, this thread was about an article relating to childress problems. My fault for actually looking at the faults of a coach instead of doing the classic "it's all favre's fault" like every other packer fan seems to want to do because they feel betrayed.

[gex]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

Read the article. Issues have been present before favre was even in the picture. It's pretty clear this isn't a new relevalation in the locker room. Even last year the QB's complained that he would never let them audible, which was a hinderence, and now favre gets to because it's favre.

This didn't sound like it was an issue coming because of the favre situation, what it sounded like is the favre situation is what brought it to the light of the public. Read the article, and you will notice how it sort of talks about this being a continual problem sicne childress arrived.

We aren't talking about the article. Every time anyone says anything remotely negative about #4 you come running to his defense so you sound like an Favre apologist.

I'm sorry, this thread was about an article relating to childress problems. My fault for actually looking at the faults of a coach instead of doing the classic "it's all favre's fault" like every other packer fan seems to want to do because they feel betrayed.

Ain't that the truth!

[Pugger]

" Childress is the type who doesn’t take outside ideas very well."

Hey...that sounds like what they said about Shermy!

And Brent ignoring/disdaining a coach? That sounds like . . . Brent!

Actually, this speaks more to how bad childress is as a coach than to issues with Favre. There were issues with favre and brad last year, that was clearly evident, and it doesn't surprise me to hear there were issues before favre ever showed up. He is a horrible head coach with no real offensive mind. IF he doesn't even completely understand his own playbook, how can the offensive players respect him at all? It's no wonder the offense took off with Favre at the helm, as it is a leader who actually knows and understands how the damn playbook works, and isn't afraid to audible to put the offense in better position. And of course, with the success he was having, how could chilly even challenge him?

I don't think this is going to have much effect on this season - the offense, like last year, is what Favre wants it to be, and the defense should be alright. After this season, though, the vikings are truly screwed if they keep chilly. Players in the locker room already don't respect him, and they are claiming it's because he has no idea how to run a offense.

I could of told you that 3 or 4 years ago.

Absolutely shocking coming from you. Of course it isn't Favre;s fault.

No kidding.

Read the article. Issues have been present before favre was even in the picture. It's pretty clear this isn't a new relevalation in the locker room. Even last year the QB's complained that he would never let them audible, which was a hinderence, and now favre gets to because it's favre.

This didn't sound like it was an issue coming because of the favre situation, what it sounded like is the favre situation is what brought it to the light of the public. Read the article, and you will notice how it sort of talks about this being a continual problem sicne childress arrived.

We aren't talking about the article. Every time anyone says anything remotely negative about #4 you come running to his defense so you sound like an Favre apologist.

I'm sorry, this thread was about an article relating to childress problems. My fault for actually looking at the faults of a coach instead of doing the classic "it's all favre's fault" like every other packer fan seems to want to do because they feel betrayed.

Ain't that the truth!

Betrayed may not be the right word but it ain't any fun seeing him in that hideous purple getup. Most Packer fans take exception to his wanting to stick it to TT cuz he's also sticking it to the Packers and to us.

[pbmax]

Something clicked in Favre after he became a superstar, and he no longer seemed willing to accept coaching - Sherman, McCarthy, sideline issues with Childress last year, etc. He seems able to get along with those who treat him with kid gloves (i.e. Bevell) but doesn't take it well when somebody tells him to change something about the way he plays.

His Dad died.

No, it was before that. It was evident in 1999 with Rhodes and even may have been present in 1998 when he seemed to revert to pre-MVP form in some stats. Sherman did show him what he could get with it.

And it is not a trait that affects all decisions. He genuinely seemed content to be a secondary option when the Packers were killing people with Ahman and the O line.

[pbmax]

I do think the article Harvey quoted should be doubted as it listed Gruden as an enlightened offensive mind Favre had worked with. Gruden was WR coach when he left GB to become the Eagles Offensive Coord.

superfan's article also makes a contradictory point. If multiple players doubt Childress' ability or leadership and this was reinforced by Favre's presence last year, then this issue cannot be fatal. At least, its unlikely to be in the short term.

[mraynrand]

I do think the article Harvey quoted should be doubted as it listed Gruden as an enlightened offensive mind Favre had worked with. Gruden was WR coach when he left GB to become the Eagles Offensive Coord.

superfan's article also makes a contradictory point. If multiple players doubt Childress' ability or leadership and this was reinforced by Favre's presence last year, then this issue cannot be fatal. At least, its unlikely to be in the short term.

Plus, you hear about the need for veteran leadership all the time, specifically because the coach can't reach guys the same way players can. Furthermore, Childress isn't going to lose credibility if he defers to Favre if Favre demonstrates the value of 20 years of experience by playing outstanding football (which he did). It can easily be seen as a sign of maturity and good coaching to defer to an expert (in any endeavor, for that matter). Favre is getting tons of special treatment, but it won't hurt Childress and all - NO ONE will care - so long as he keeps winning (except anti-Viking fans of course).

[falco]

I find it hard to believe that the Favre antics of the last 12 months haven't had some detrimental effect on the team.

[vince]

Only in Favre World:

Brett Favre calls 2 closed-door team meetings about not letting closed-door stuff out to the press, then immediately tells Ed Werder about what he told the guys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5484022

[MOBB DEEP]

Only in Favre World:

Brett Favre calls 2 closed-door team meetings about not letting closed-door stuff out to the press, then immediately tells Ed Werder about what he told the guys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ory?id=5484022

hahahahaha..REDIC!

[MOBB DEEP]

Most Packer fans take exception to his wanting to stick it to TT cuz he's also sticking it to the Packers and to us.

what? is this 2009 still? that mess is OVER..nothing to see here any more; BOTH sides won imo and life goes on

[packerbacker1234]

Only in Favre World:

Brett Favre calls 2 closed-door team meetings about not letting closed-door stuff out to the press, then immediately tells Ed Werder about what he told the guys.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ory?id=5484022

Eh this is a common thing, small parts of team meetings getting out, it just usually isn't notable enough to talk about it, but because the press is in love with favre, what he eats for breakfast is suddenly notable.

You all know I am a favre supporter, in that I like him as a player, but sarcasm I don't think is really needed. :P

[Pugger]

Most Packer fans take exception to his wanting to stick it to TT cuz he's also sticking it to the Packers and to us.

what? is this 2009 still? that mess is OVER..nothing to see here any more; BOTH sides won imo and life goes on

Of course I'm talking about 2009 and this is one of the reasons why he isn't as universally loved in Packerland like he once was. I am glad he's playing for the queens. Let MN have him and his playoff chokes.